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Adaptive AI in Madden NFL 10

Posted On: Apr. 10, 2009 8:31 AM EST By: EA_IanCummings 288 Comments

 

 

 

Ever felt like you needed more of a challenge?

As we creep closer and closer to the NFL draft and our cover athlete announcement (as well as many other events), it’s getting to that time in the year where our features are getting locked down and we can start talking about some bigger ticket items. We’ve been doing these weekly blogs for quite a while now, so I’d encourage you to take a look back and give them all a read if you have a chance.

This week though, we wanted to really dive into a new feature that we are really excited about – Adaptive AI.


Why Adaptive AI?

In nearly every sports game that you’ve ever played, there usually comes a time where someone discovers some sort of gameplay strategy that is extremely successful (in an unbalanced way). Often times these are considered ‘exploits’ because they are either impossible or extremely hard to stop. You may find it on your own, or you may learn it from someone abusing you with it online, or you may even pay to find it on a shady website. Regardless, these exploits can often extremely hamper the replay value of a game because at some point, nearly everyone gets tired of doing the same thing over and over again and beating up the CPU by 100 points…and at this point the game typically comes out of the tray. Whether it’s an exploit or a “money play”, it’s all frustrating…so from the start of the cycle we knew that we wanted to create an Adaptive AI infrastructure in our football games. Two of our most experienced gameplay / AI engineers – Daniel White and Ryan Burnsides – took the reigns with designing and implementing the majority of this system so I hope this blog does it justice. :)

What does it do?

The adaptive AI framework that we’ve built for Madden NFL 10 is rather simple at its base, but its power is in its ease of use and integration to the game. Any designer or engineer can use a tool to set up any number of inputs (variables that come in from the game), as well as outputs (how the AI should react to those variables), and save them off and quickly preview how those changes come out in game. That may sound really technical, so here’s a good example.

Input: QB scramble outside tackles 3+ times for 5+ yards
Output 1:  Defensive hot route: defensive end to flats
Output 2: Defensive play call: Boost to QB spy plays
Output 3: Defensive hot route: corner blitz on scrambling side

 

Simple right? At its basic core, it means that we as a team can add some ‘success’ parameters to our tool, and give the defense some simple commands that they can try to use to stop them. The cool part is that we basically create these rule sets by collecting data on how we actually play. If someone is burning you with constant passes to the flats, then you call plays with more flat zones. If someone is burning you with dives up the middle, then you pinch your line and crash them. If someone is burning you with corner routes, then maybe you’ll double cover the receiver or drop back more into a cover 3. All of these situations are extremely easy to add, and we can add these types of decisions into the CPU (coaches and defenders) to help them react with whatever is happening to them in the game. When we dictate what ‘success’ actually means (which is often the toughest thing to judge), we can choose that based on total yardage gained, average yards gained, percentage of total plays run, or other factors.

Another really cool part of this system is actually the ability to directly modify attributes under the hood, simulating true on the fly “learning” of a defender. For example, if an offense is running the exact same play over and over again for big gains, we would boost the defense’s play recognition ratings to emulate them learning for their mistakes to have a better chance to react when they see the same look again. Same goes for something like continuous out routes…a defender will get better and better at man coverage if you keep running the same route over and over again, but would drop back down to his original rating if you keep mixing it up. It should also be said that were keeping some integrity by not modifying physical attributes like speed, jumping, or acceleration.

Having individual defenders make realtime adjustments meant that we could implement Adaptive AI for online and head-to-head play as well (i.e. not just for the CPU players). So if your opponent starts running something that is becoming overly effective, and you don’t feel like you can’t stop it with your play calling, then at least your teammates will start learning how to stop it on their own.

One key detail is that we can also change the ‘output’ numbers per skill level. So for example on rookie or pro mode,  the defense may actually know what you’re doing and have a solution for it, but we might actually have them wait a little longer and let you run the same thing a few more times before they start stopping it.

We have added a ton of inputs and outputs that allow us to really tweak the AI in a relatively simple manner. Here are some examples:

Play Types
- Play Action
- Screens
- Counter
- Draw
- Pitch / Toss
- etc

Play Style
- Scramble
- No Huddle

Route
- Entire Route Tree (i.e. in, out, comeback, streak, etc)


We don’t have everything covered here, so this is an area we are really looking forward to continue developing out in the future.

Summary

First and foremost, we hope that our Adaptive AI will add a ton of replay value to our games this year by forcing you as a gamer to continue to mix up the way you play to have success. Football is a very complex game of chess – and this is a great first step towards re-creating that. Secondly, we hope this feature will continue to show our commitment at the Tiburon studio to creating a realistic simulation of football, as it exists in both NCAA Football 10 and Madden NFL 10.

That’s all for this week – please feel free to leave feedback in the comments section or discuss in the forums!

- Ian Cummings
Lead Designer, Madden NFL 10

Comments

  • Boaz821 said April 10, 2009

    Hey I want to know more on what are you going to do to the franchise and also superstar mode, and the accessories for the players, as in more team colors for the cleats.  

  • jslansky10 said April 10, 2009

    I dont know if this is the right spot to be posting this or not, but I think that you guys should upgrade the challenge system.  I like to play without rewinds, and some times you really get screwed with the challenges.  I think that you should be able to pick what you want to challenge, instead of not having a choice and the game picking what you are challenging for you.

  • warrior310 said April 10, 2009

    i realize the realistic kicking motion

  • cdjacobs@hotmail.com said April 10, 2009

    Awesome stuff.  A lot of the community has been clamoring for this for years.

  • PATFINEST54 said April 10, 2009

    Since im the first to comment i hate when I play online when its 3rd and 20 and im playin quaters and all of a sudden he trows it and all ways complete it for a first down dats not nfl football dats  supposed to be impossible

  • Dewiel said April 10, 2009

    Boaz821, Thanks for the feedback. As you may have seen already, Josh Looman made a post about Franchise Mode last week and says he will talk about trade logic, hall of fame logic, regular season free agency, salary cap tuning, coach boosts and tons of other franchise stuff when he makes his next post. In the meantime, you can check out the first post here: insideblog.easports.com/.../madden-nfl-10-franchise-mode-improvements.aspx and be sure to leave him your thoughts.

  • Dewiel said April 10, 2009

    jslansky10, you can post all ideas and requests here in the Forums: forum.ea.com/.../405.page.

  • Valdarez said April 10, 2009

    This is an awesome addition, and something I have pushed for in 2K's game.  It looks like you are doing it based on the routes, instead of plays.  Why not do both though?  Also, now that you're adding adaptive AI, how are you going to help the user keep track of the plays they call on offense?  You need to convey the 'defensive awareness' of the play to the player based on the number of times they have called the same play.  

    Keep track of every play a team plays on offense. Every time a play is called, it goes from green to yellow shading. Then the next time it's called, it goes from yellow to red shading. The color indicates how well the defense will recognize the play. The defense will get a speed / recognition boost so they can better lock down the play, even though a player might not have called the right defensive play. This would help avoid scenarios where players are able to be effective using a limited set of plays all game long.

    You can add a 'cooling' effect based on every quarter or half.  I would suggest half, so a team can effectively have no penalty what so ever for calling the same play twice a game.  

  • bkimbrough13 said April 10, 2009

    oh yea i like the new adaptive AI. i like to mix up my plays and play good defense so its in my favor.

  • Droopy said April 10, 2009

    That is alsome. I like that we are focusing on the defense side of the ball. Believe it or not I am a guy ho enjoy's to play defense more than offense and it just gets to me when you know what your opponent is doing and you cant stp it. One thing if I could add and Ian you guy's have been answering all my question with these weekly blogs. But will there be a future where the defense will actually wear down as the game goes on. If we are running the heck out of the ball will the defense line start wearing down if they cant stop me.

    P.S. please keep on coming up with these great ideas to improve the defense side of the ball.

    thanks,

  • Droopy said April 10, 2009

    Another thing is there a way we could have a in game update of the plays a opponent runs like in real life. You know after a quarterback throws a interception they go to the side line and bring out the book of the last series to get more of an idea of what the other team is runnung and what they are doing. You say it's a chess match and these are the things that happen in real life so let's get more strategy into the game so after the game I can say I got out coached rather than feeling like I should of won.

    Also in franchise mode cant there be more scouting going on on the other team. Like the week leading up to the game can we see what the team where playing like and dislikes. Or even have a scouting report from there last game on what they could or could not stop. This is what goes on in real life. Remember the colts couldn't stop the run and thats what teams was game planning to do every game in real life. Remember how the saints cant stop anybody throwing game.  These are the things I am most interestded in.

    thanks,

  • Proud2B Awesome said April 10, 2009

    This is great news. I am looking forward to the day when I can play a truly exploit-free Madden. 09 was the worst offender of all I'm sad to say...

  • jellybean3454 said April 10, 2009

    good update ian i like the two new updates every week... but i hope you guys really add what were asking for in this game all we want is a realistic madden, is that asking for to much i think we deserve it we always been supporting ya'll even when other madden gamers stopped buying madden please don't disappoint us because i'm very happy about the release please don't have me being happy for no reason....

    P.S. if this madden is the best ever, that doesn't mean were not gone to buy the new ones ya'll make because were gonna wanna play with the new team schedules, new draft picks, new trades, new free agent signings, and etc. don't let us down

  • CAMREN630 said April 10, 2009

    this is a great post tired of the no huddle cheesers.but will this help stop the rocket catch?please please please do not leave out presentation ea i am tired of seeing those fake guys on the sideline doing nothing make them interact with the whats going on in the game i need that complete nfl feel and like the one guy said we need to be able to choose our challenges.thanks for you guys time its good to see someone respond to us keep it up and hopefully i will finally get the madden i been waiting for.presentation ea lol.

  • djKianoosh said April 10, 2009

    brilliant!

    the best thing about this is that it should make it tough for those players that only call 3 or 4 or 5 different plays all game long.    this is The ANTIDOTE!

    hope it really works...

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 10, 2009

    thats a cool post man very realistic and what happens in real football.

    But from playing madden 09 i would like to see them improve the HB toss play because on 09 the tight end just ingnores the guy in front of him and go blocks the saftey or someone on the other side of the field and the fullback completely misses his block and the 2 guy pulling absolutly hits nowone and i get hit for a 7 yard loss everytime i call HB toss plays. I want to see more effort in blocking down the field with a sense of ergency  to help the RB out

  • jellybean3454 said April 10, 2009

    fix presentation like camren630 said need better looking fans, staff, head coaches, etc. they really need to be doing stuff and not just there looking like sega players and make sure the coaches look how they really look in real life because on nfl head coach 09 they had every coach look just how they look in real life that impressed me

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 10, 2009

    They should think about putting press conferences at the end of a game i want to see the Jim Mora's The Denis Green's get mad if they loose, i want to see the T.O.'s complaining and raged by losing 3 in a row, i want to see players ruin a locker room because when a team is loosing like the cowboys or lions creat some drama to the game.

    I hope people's helmets can come off in Madden 10

  • ibleedbllue said April 10, 2009

    I'm not sure if this issue has been addressed, but in past versions of this generation's Madden, I found that one of the most frustrating issues in the game play would occur when I positioned my player, typically a defender, in front of a receiver in an effort to jump the route and intercept the pass, only to find my player reverse into a backpedal animation once I pressed the "catch" button and the pass would be competed despite my efforts to make a play.  If there were some sort of algorithm that could be installed into the animation AI that would cause a player to take the shortest route possible between him and the ball instead of engaging in any random animation I feel it would greatly increase the game play value during passing situations.

  • Cons1 said April 10, 2009

    I'm a first time commenter but madden player for years. another great post and think this a great addition to the game. I've been on forums and i dont think i've ssen anyone address the kicking/special teams game. I personally would like to see the kicking meter dissapear and make kicking automatic for both sides and have the outcome based on ratings because its too easy. and then i'd like to see more realistic punt and kickoff returns that have a chance to be taken back for a TD.

    I look forward to the next madden post

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 10, 2009

    Yo Droopy they had the weekly Gameplan in madden 05-07 on last gen console and it was similar to what u were talking about and i agree that they should bring it back to the madden franchise.

    Im glad i still got my old maddens because they can help add more ideas to madden 10 that they should of kept in the game in the first place.

  • jellybean3454 said April 10, 2009

    say madden dev team i'm not a guy who really tell people what to do but ya'll really need to listen to some guy name WARRIOR310 this guy is amazing he knows everything that needs to be fixed and added he is man i would vote this guy to buy a madden dev, go to the one where he was giving feedback about the franchise update and his like all the way at the end them were some great idea every single one, but he talks a little too much but i got to say he has great ideas, but who dont need to talk alot when it comes to telling madden what they need to fix

    P.S. REMEMBER HIS NAME IS WARRIOR630

  • prettyrik said April 10, 2009

    Sounds great EA!!! this is definitely needed and will hopefully make gamers step up their game and play calling. Cause when gamers do one thing over and over to death and you can't stop it cause your cpu AI just won't adjust no matter what play you call is just frustating especially when you know its coming. It's also good that you guys are not changing attributes because that warp/sucktion effect that players get to make plays such as ints, tackles, and sacks gets on my nerves everytime losses realism effect of the game. Key question though will the samething apply to defenses too as far as blitzes and zones go? Hopefully it plays out as good as it sounds. What about "Fair Play" guys? To me that forced people to play somewhat realistic knowing make 2nd and 3rd down play calls crucial? Keep up the good work EA!!

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 10, 2009

    aweber i seem to never have that problem maybe its just u. Look if u use the corner back u cant see him on the screem maybe thats the issue because int's come easy 4 me

  • Jay-Bizzle52 said April 10, 2009

    I think ea sports should find a way to bring pre-game,halftime,and post-game shows on madden nfl 10 for a better broadcasting system. Madden nfl 10 is already featuring espn. And the player to player interactions need to improve because the last couple of years, it been kinda dry.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 10, 2009

    1. in madden 09 its impossible to return punts or kicks. come on if the defenders run down the field full speed u should be able to throw a juke or cut move to throw the defender of balance and be out of position to tackle u. In madden 09 the defender has impossible change of direction speeds which is really unrealistic. In Madden on the ps2 and xbox the defender make up speed wasn't as fast and if the defender was out of the position to make a play then he wasn't going to make the play.

    2. I would like to see offense of people tackle offense of players or knock them off balance when they collide with each other like in real football. Just look at NFL Follies on NFL Network. Have the ball carrier more interactive with the blockers that are in front of him

    3. Make a possible way to juke peple without coming in contact with the defender like in NFL 2k5

  • Aso21Raiders said April 10, 2009

    So with this i am guessing the Wildcat will be added?

  • jellybean3454 said April 10, 2009

    way you fans talking about bringing this back and that back just tell them to bring everything in franchise back from the past years and dump the trash stuff because thats basically what ya'll are saying

    and i don't think this was a franchise update so why are ya'll making comments about the franchise didn't josh looman say he would discuss that next week, i'm not trying to start nothing i'm just saying

    and how do ya'll know they might not add they stuff ya'll are asking for but wanna add more better things because i hear ya'll talking bout the tony bruno to bring back but what if they wanna have chris berman talking or rich eisen are the dude from nfl live, i'm just saying they might wanna add more depth to the things ya'll talking bought bring back that was in a old madden

    do you get what i'm saying because like another thing ya'll said bring back were you could see the other team gameplay and set prices for food while they might let you go into a film room and discuss with your other coordinators what gameplan ya'll should run and how to stop things, and for setting prices they might let you add what food you want cooked or something, i really don't know what to say about setting food prices

    but do you get what i'm saying stop asking for old stuff for them to return to the game because they might have wanted to add something much better but ya'll wanted the same old stuff back, but i know one thing they better either add new stuff to the franchise mode or if not bring the old stuff back because this year franchise mode was wack

  • ibleedbllue said April 10, 2009

    Bone5, I actually began playing NCAA 09 exclusively because I found that quirk, and others within the game play too frustrating to tolerate anymore.  I'm going to assume we were playing on the same difficulty setting, but I would also have trouble gaining any yards with any running play outside the tackles with any back that had a speed rating less than say 95(the number of those by the way I feel are decreasing at an alarming rate).  Do I just suck then?

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 10, 2009

    i play on all madden and i really dont think it would matter if the RB speed was 99 the tight end and the tackle doesnt block anyone and also the full back doesnt block anyone and the 2 guys pulling doesnt block at all.

    yo try this go to practice and put it on all madden and call the Toss or pitch play from any I-Formation type.

    It not that they suck because they miss their block but it is the simple concept that they r not even trying to block the person infront of them

  • jaybiv said April 10, 2009

    EA just improve the core game functions before the bells and whistles.  These bolg postings are showing me you guys are moving in the right direction.  Hopefully one day you guys can rework the placekicking mechanics.  Field goals are tooooooo easy!  I would opt for a system similar to the Tiger Woods swing mechanic.

  • warrior310 said April 10, 2009

    thanks jellybean lol

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 10, 2009

    is this just for when playing against the CPU?  i really hope so.  because if i call a defense, and the AI changes it without my permission, im gonna be pissed.

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 10, 2009

    to all the people asking for pregame and postgame shows:

    would you rather them add a bunch of crap that has nothing to do with fixing the gameplay?  or would you like them to fix...

    -the blocking AI

    -make it harder to read defenses

    -get rid of rocket catching

    -get rid of glitches

    -have realistic collision reactions based on leverage, momentum, player strength

    -create a playbook

    -allow to skip through the NEVERENDING coaches challenge sequence

    I dont even see how a post game or pregame show would add to the game whatsoever.  Maybe in franchise mode for the playoffs.  But for online play, it would just be annoying and a waste of time/money/disc space developing, and a waste of time to watch.

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 10, 2009

    I was actually hoping that when I saw the title 'adaptive AI', that is meant the players could adapt DURING the play.  How many times have all of you madden gamers been burned deep while the closest defender didnt even react to the play, despite there being no one in his current zone?  Until the actual positon assignment can be excuted realistically, it doesnt help to have them automatically adjust to another flawed coverage assignment.

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 10, 2009

    oh, and for the record.  Chris Collinsworth is the worst thing to ever happen to Madden football.  I muted him after one week of playing.  He just repeats the same ridiculous cliches over and over.  

  • CAMREN630 said April 10, 2009

    only gish i understand what you are saying but understand this pregame and post game reports are apart of the nfl yes the gameplay issues should come first but dont ignore the presentation cause it goes hand and hand we need a game that looks good but also plays well.why cant we as fans get them both?i mean lets be real here we pay 65 dollars for this game every year.

  • warrior310 said April 10, 2009

    have less camera flashes

    have realistic sidelines

    show the coin toss and have the players say what you select.

    before the game show the players in  the locker room getting pumped up,walking through and out  the tunnel, then show them warming up and begin the toss.

    have different commentary for the pre season, reg season, playoffs,and superbowl.

    have the computer teams relocate and once in a blue moon have the computer generate an expandion team.

    put the clips for the visors on the facemask.

    have a bigger roster capacity.

  • Aha Legend said April 10, 2009

    Weekly Sportscenter Show. Chris Berman. Get it Done.

  • MegaBearsFan said April 10, 2009

    I certainly hope that a lot of these AI enhancements and visual additions (referees, chain gang, extra accessories, etc) are being added to NCAA 10 as well.

  • TORRES2O said April 10, 2009

    EA I'm reposting my comment because a lot of people are agreeing with my ideas and they are giving me good feedback, thanks Cipher_8, slydelvecio, prettyrik, and etc. I would appreciate it if all you guys who think my ideas are great, help me repost them on every update and let EA see that these are good ideas.

    1. Pre-Snap Run/Pass Commit - The run/pass commit would be a lot better if it was before the snap instead of after. The D-Pad should be where this is put into gameplay. I read this on some guys post, "The D-Pad would be just about perfect. Up for Pass, Down for Run, Left for Misdirection plays like Screens, Delays and Play-Action, and Right for Reset to Normal (to play everything Straight Up) that way, We can finally see the effectiveness of Draws, Screens and Delays and most importantly make my opponent have to fool ME instead of the CPU. This could also finally resolve the Infamous effectiveness of Play-action on third and long (a football no-no if there ever was one) without us worrying that our boneheaded DE or LB will tackle the HB instead of attacking the QB. It would also allow players to punish opponents who are painfully obvious with their play-calls and refuse to vary their gameplans."

    He also had other good ideas, the link is.......

    www.operationsports.com/.../269601-my-madden-2010-top-25-list.html

    2. Online Fair Play - Fair play should also be put back into the game. It will make people punt and kick a field goal on 4th & 5, 4th & 10, etc. The only exception where fair play shouldn't be enforced is if the ball is spotted 4th & inches no matter where on the field, maybe even 4th & 1 but only if you have crossed the 50 yard-line onto your opponents side of the field.

    3. Spectating Online Games - It would be cool if EA puts in a feature to spectate online games. I wouldn't want the normal behind the QB camera angle but all the camera angles you see used in actual football games on television.

    4. More Tackle Animations - I think it would be a lot better if EA just keeps all the tackle animations from all the previous years (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009) but with every new madden they just add more tackle animations to give the game that much more of a sports feel instead of a video game feel where you pretty much expect the same animations after a while of playing the game. The game would feel fresh every time you see many different animations.

    5. QB Vision - I think the QB vision should also be put back into the game. This would also give the game more realism and it will make people actually progress through the development of routes during the play. It would also prevent people from scrambling like crazy and completing unrealistic passes. It should be mandatory to use the QB vision for online ranked games.

    What do you guys think?.......

    Help me get my ideas out there and repost them, I know they are not features that are too much to ask for, but they would really improve the game for everyone, thanks guys...........

  • TORRES2O said April 10, 2009

    EA I'm reposting my comment because a lot of people are agreeing with my ideas and they are giving me good feedback, thanks Cipher_8, slydelvecio, prettyrik, and etc. I would appreciate it if all you guys who think my ideas are great, help me repost them on every update and let EA see that these are good ideas.

    1. Pre-Snap Run/Pass Commit - The run/pass commit would be a lot better if it was before the snap instead of after. The D-Pad should be where this is put into gameplay. I read this on some guys post, "The D-Pad would be just about perfect. Up for Pass, Down for Run, Left for Misdirection plays like Screens, Delays and Play-Action, and Right for Reset to Normal (to play everything Straight Up) that way, We can finally see the effectiveness of Draws, Screens and Delays and most importantly make my opponent have to fool ME instead of the CPU. This could also finally resolve the Infamous effectiveness of Play-action on third and long (a football no-no if there ever was one) without us worrying that our boneheaded DE or LB will tackle the HB instead of attacking the QB. It would also allow players to punish opponents who are painfully obvious with their play-calls and refuse to vary their gameplans."

    He also had other good ideas, the link is.......

    www.operationsports.com/.../269601-my-madden-2010-top-25-list.html

    2. Online Fair Play - Fair play should also be put back into the game. It will make people punt and kick a field goal on 4th & 5, 4th & 10, etc. The only exception where fair play shouldn't be enforced is if the ball is spotted 4th & inches no matter where on the field, maybe even 4th & 1 but only if you have crossed the 50 yard-line onto your opponents side of the field.

    3. Spectating Online Games - It would be cool if EA puts in a feature to spectate online games. I wouldn't want the normal behind the QB camera angle but all the camera angles you see used in actual football games on television.

    4. More Tackle Animations - I think it would be a lot better if EA just keeps all the tackle animations from all the previous years (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009) but with every new madden they just add more tackle animations to give the game that much more of a sports feel instead of a video game feel where you pretty much expect the same animations after a while of playing the game. The game would feel fresh every time you see many different animations.

    5. QB Vision - I think the QB vision should also be put back into the game. This would also give the game more realism and it will make people actually progress through the development of routes during the play. It would also prevent people from scrambling like crazy and completing unrealistic passes. It should be mandatory to use the QB vision for online ranked games.

    What do you guys think?.......

    Help me get my ideas out there and repost them, I know they are not features that are too much to ask for, but they would really improve the game for everyone, thanks guys...........

  • Cons1 said April 10, 2009

    Me personally i dont really use run/pass commit because i dont want to take that risk especially online but yeah pre snap is a good idea

    fair play is a good idea, too many a**holes dont play the game it is meant to be played.

    spectating online games=awesome

    gotta remake the current takles.

    QB vision is no good.

  • Stakes Are High said April 10, 2009

    I agree; if you had a Brady, his vision was the entire field. If you had let's say Eli Manning, it wasn't even close. You could see where the QB was throwing. I hate the way tackling was in 09. There would be TOO MANY broken tackles. I remember reading an article in 2000 saying that the ability to watch online games was coming, and that was 9 YEARS AGO. Not to mention it was supposed to be on PS2. It'd be a nice touch to Madden.

  • Glanville79 said April 10, 2009

    I have a great idea to use this system to help people during the game. Use this adaptive system in combination with the "Ask Madden" feature. Also add down and distance stats to it, so when we ask madden, he will give us true plays that would work according to our opponents playing style.

    This would bring more madden integration back to the game, as most people feel that madden has been fazed out more and more over the years. When you "ask madden", he would say something like...

    "your opponent has been blitzing on 3rd downs, make sure to get the ball out quick, maybe try a screen pass." Then you would get a selection of plays to counter blitzes for the distance you need.

    You could turn this into a great learning tool to help people really learn the in's and out's of football. Anyway, great job EA, on what has the potential to be the greatest football experience to date!

  • Glanville79 said April 10, 2009

    ...also PLEASE! give us back custom playbooks! How can you play a game without a selection of your plays you like most? And package substitutions, the right personel in the right places in a certain package is also a key to success. Please give us back these current gen features that you needlessly took away!

    ...this years motto is give the user his own custom experience right?!

  • southernmissfan2 said April 10, 2009

    about the franchise mode i think pretty much all the off season stuff needs to be added from head coach

    for this post i like it will stop some of the cheesers

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 10, 2009

    please dont listen to warrior310.  

    his suggestions add nothing to the game.  locker room?  sidelines?  GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!  None of that matters!  The game already looks realistic.  It you want it to be 100% authentic all the way down to what brand of jock strap they are wearing, then go to a real game.  You obviously dont care about the actual gameplay itself.  if you did, you wouldnt be suggesting changes that are a complete waste of time and money.  

    I challenge EA to create a defense that can stop a drag route.  Once they do that, I'll entertain the idea of worthless additions like pregame nonsense.

    IMO, cosmetic changes to the game are EA's way of covering up the fact that they cant create realistic gameplay.  It's like they are waving colorful flags and banners to the left, to keep us from looking at the disgusting pile of crap on the right.

    Things that happen in Madden that DO NOT hapen in the NFL:

    -Quick audibling to create faulty offensive alignments (known as a false start in the NFL)

    -Small RBs like Darren Sproles running over 300+ lbs defenders

    -WRs that accelerate to warp speed to catch passes lead to the outside.

    -WRs breaking 3 tackles on one play

    -Defenders turning on a dime without losing any speed

    -Defenders closing on a player laterally, and then hitting him backwards with a crushing blow.

    -Rocket Catching (jumping laterally 5-10 yards through the air and catching a pass that is completely off target)

    If anyone thinks that having players announce their coin flip selection is more important than any of these MAJOR FLAWS, then please exit the discussion now, because you arent qualified to be listened to.

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 10, 2009

    Glanville.  I believe the motto is "fight for every yard".  By choosing this motto, I expect that they have fixed man coverage, and made a defense that can stop a drag route.  Otherwise, they are just blowing smoke up our butts.

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 10, 2009

    I think a lot of the common problems in madden would end if we forced the game designers to play online against good competition, and then give them FOOTBALL EXPERTS to help them fix the major football related flaws in the game.

  • Nef77 said April 10, 2009

    nice. it's only April and the updates are amazing. i know that the linemen play will be great now judging by the improvements on the other aspects of the game. about the line play, my biggest problems from the line are

    1) Guys letting go of their blocks when I run in the hole.

    2) Guys missing their block when the DLman is right in front of him.

    3) There is no pocket and my 95 ovr pass blocking LT gets beat every other drive.

    4) I can't tell if my blocker(any position) will get beat so there is no reading the blocker.

    You've answered most of my concerns about the 3-play cheesers and the franchise. You guys are doing a great job but, like in real football, the game is won and lost on the line. I don't really care about Nike or Reebok cleats and gloves, there's other things this game needs to be fun.

  • warrior310 said April 10, 2009

    ooooo please only gish no one agrees with you a you talk too damn much u have like 33 damn comments so please yourself.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 10, 2009

    yo only gish i agree on your suggestions of gamplay and i had some issues about the gameplay to that i have posted but realism is the thing that can make or break a game thats why madden fell off during the past few years. look u might be more of a online player that doesn't care about the little minor things, other maybe more of a franchise player that wants more of a similation style game and for it to be more realistic u shouldn't downplay other ideas like that

  • warrior310 said April 10, 2009

    so only gish your saying none of my ideas matter?

    listen 2 what people say dog.

    if any of your stuff matters why haven't people agreed with you.

  • newyitty718 said April 10, 2009

    i like this post i wanted to see if u guys was working on the madden AI becuase in 09 the AI was fucking retarded but this is good i really like this. next i would like to see a lil bit on superstar mode id like to know if yall are going to make it more epic and real life like.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 10, 2009

    this blog is about everyone spreading ideas that can help Madden improve not arguing

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 10, 2009

    madden was more realistic in superstar mode on the last gen consoles

  • CAMREN630 said April 10, 2009

    only gish stop eing an *** seriously dude if you dont like pregame and stuff with the sidelines thats fine but dont rain on other peoples parade you are 100% right gameplay needs to be addressed first but the sidelines come on dude im tired of the men from sega being over there i want them to interact with the game i want the whole nfl feeling.warrior you have great ideas ignore the haters even though you do get annoying at times lol.

  • prettyrik said April 10, 2009

    The components of the game is like a dinner everything everyone is suggesting could be useful at some point, but what will have a more last impression on the gm. I would say Gameplay.

    Gameplay = Meat

    Customizations/additions = Sides

    You need both to make a complete dinner, but if I had to choose one of the two I would choose the meat in long run I know that it will fill my stomach up more than sides

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 10, 2009

    warrior.  just because you dont agree with me doesnt mean everyone doesnt.  

    camren360, maybe if EA spent more time fixing the gameplay and FOOTBALL related problem during the past decade, then I wouldnt be on here ranting for them to do it now.

    I am a programmer, and I know how long it takes to create features like Superstar mode, and Ea rewind, and all these other useless additions that have come and gone over the past decade of Madden releases.  I know that in this economy, they surely have a tighter budget than ever.  Meaning they cant address every little mundane detail that people like warrior come up with.  Its time for them to fix the real issues with the game.  

    Oh, but why fix the problems if you can just add a bunch of new features that fix nothing, and then pretend that THIS edition is the newest and most perfect version of Madden ever.  

    Every year they change the game speeds, the animations, add a new feature on offense of defense, and then release it without addressing the coverage flaws, the glitches, or the inaccurate physics that occur during collisions.

    I'm fed up with it.  Because just as sure you are that you will buy the game, I can assure you that they will not take the neccessary steps to fix the game.

    One of two things is occuring within the Madden developement team.

    either....

    a.) They are attempting to create a professional football game by hiring video gamer designers who arent capable of understanding the complex assigments of NFL defenses.

    or...(and I fear this one is true)

    b.) They refuse to fix the known flaws because they can just make promises every year and people will continue to buy the game.  Because face it, if it were perfect, they wouldnt ever sell another copy.  

    The bottom line is that there are much bigger problems with the game than sidelines or the color of cleats.  I really wish everyone would shut the hell up about that stuff until they decide to fix the main issues.  

    BUT AS LONG AS YOU PEOPLE KEEP SETTING THE BAR SO LOW, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO THE MINIMUM REQUIRED TO GET YOUR MONEY!

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 10, 2009

    prettyrik.  your analogy is close.  but in my opinion, the BS details are worthless if the gameplay sucks.

  • xROMO_9xwinz said April 10, 2009

    Everybody should be heard if you play the game then go ahead leave your Ideas...Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends..lol...Guys great post I would like to see more helmet options for players and all the extra equipment..And yes I hate playing cheesers online...more options on rosters like practice squid players, and more roster spots you can suit 53 guys on sunday but each week it is diffrant players getting to play sometimes ..Good job EA, keep it up!!

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 10, 2009

    to all of you who like the new adaptive AI.....

    this wont stop cheese players who play online and use the same plays over and over.  The adaptive AI will only work when playing against the CPU.  So all of you are still gonna have to learn to play defense if you want to play online.  Which means if you cant stop one play, then be ready to NOT stop that play 100 times in a row.

  • xROMO_9xwinz said April 10, 2009

    you should read the whole post bro

    Ian Cummings

    Having individual defenders make realtime adjustments meant that we could implement Adaptive AI for online and head-to-head play as well (i.e. not just for the CPU players). So if your opponent starts running something that is becoming overly effective, and you don’t feel like you can’t stop it with your play calling, then at least your teammates will start learning how to stop it on their own

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 10, 2009

    QUOTE FROM IAN CUMMINGS: "Football is a very complex game of chess – and this is a great first step towards re-creating that."

    the first step?  21 years, and this is the first attempt to emulate the complex adjustments that must be done to stop an nfl offense?

    Listen to me EA.  If you want to make Madden more chess-like.  Then let us create our own defenses and use them online.  Your adaptive AI feature will not work when playing head to head.  And I dont know if I speak for anyone else, but playing against the CPU doesnt nothing for me.  Give us create-a-defense, and you solve all your defensive problems.  The ball is in your court, dont be shocked when I dont buy your game after you refuse to listen to the people who play the game the most.

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 10, 2009

    xROMO.  if thats true, then they just created a new exploit.

  • xROMO_9xwinz said April 10, 2009

    I Did not say I can't stop a cheeser on my on, but it get's pretty stupid when a guy runs the same play over and over that is the exploit( Because they ,you find a glitch and beat it into the freaking ground man.).If you no huddle thats kool with me because it does happen on sundays but if you run in no huddle and your in five wide set and then motion everyone to goalline then back to a five wide , well then my guys that may have been in man coverage all of a sudden forget who to cover then you score on a deep pass because no one covers the wideout going down the field...You tell me ...Ok it might happen once in awhile on sundays but if a team goes to the well to much it will backfire and they will see a differant uniform doing a TD dance in the endzone!!! Now hopefully you cheeser will too..

  • southernmissfan2 said April 10, 2009

    only gish if presentation dont matter at all to u then go out in your back yard get some people together and play. they have talked and talked about gameplay i want gameplay and graphics.i 100% agree with cameron 360 and warrior 310

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 10, 2009

    im not disputing the fact that improvements can be made to the 'non-essentials' areas of Madden.  i just think that there are some far greater issues that need to be dealt with first.  They cant possibly fix it all in one year, so Im asking that they fix the MAJOR problems first.  I dont see how anyone could disagree with that.

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 10, 2009

    xROMO, i never said u were a cheeser or that u couldnt stop them.  

  • Cons1 said April 10, 2009

    I guess we can all agree that we dont like CHEESERS except the people who are CHEESERS who do like themselves.

  • jellybean3454 said April 10, 2009

    only gish, shut yo bitc* ass up b/c you are making no sense so just shut up and why are you trying to talk about someone's comments, you must not have a life and stop posting so many comments because you taking up other people great ideas, matter fact you should of never ever posted the 1st one because that was a stupid one too

    so get of camron630 and warrior310 nuts and they are not the only one's wanting presentation too because if you read comments most of everybody want that too, i said i wasn't going to write any more comments, but your dumbass made me have to

    only gish stop writing comments plz and by the way no one agrees with you

  • SPHoushmandslama said April 10, 2009

    I never thought I'd jump into an online forum argument, but Only gish, you can suck it. I understand where you're coming from, but if you hate the game so much, why do you still play it? And if you don't buy the new game, which i know for a fact you will, you'll never know if they fix those gameplay problems. I do agree that the presentation needs to be amped up big time because I really did enjoy the presentation from NFL 2k5 with Boomer. It's not the main thing that needs to be fixed as a few people have said, but it does need to be re-mastered. Basically, Gish needs to just kick back and wait til the midnight release so you can get your own copy.

  • xROMO_9xwinz said April 10, 2009

    Oh guys, sorry bye the way warrior310 I hope they fix xhat you and others have asked it really is good ideas and for the most part there are alot of other good ideas too..

    Thanks

    Romo

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 10, 2009

    jellybean, you are very convincing.  you are right.  they dont need to fix any of the things i mentioned.  good point.

    SPHoosurmomma, i dont hate the game.  I hate the unrealistic portions of it though.  I love the game, and thats why I feel its more important to fix the gameplay.  I have nothing against fixing all the crap you guys are clamoring for, but priorities need to be put in order.  

    youre right, i will buy the game.  and im going to be disappointed once again.  If this "new" adaptive AI does in fact work online, then that means the CPU has the power to override the play you called.  I dont want that.  In fact, that gives people one more way to exploit you.  They'll just figure out how many times they need to scrammble to the outside before the defense adjust to stop it, then they will exploit the defender who changes his assignment.  Also, there arent any current defensive assignments that can stop a drag route.  So how does EA plan on using adaptive AI to stop that one?  I just think they try to create the illusion of fixing problems.  There will still be cheesers next year.  I'd bet my left lung on it.

  • jellybean3454 said April 10, 2009

    wat a minute only gish they really do need to fix gameplay but if your going to make a game real and make it look how it looks in real life you gotta have real presentation too so only gish would you want them to have the most amazing gamplay andgrapthat look like the sega version and would you spend 60 dollars and be happy about the game, i'm not gonna guess what your answer is i want you to answer it but if you say no to that then you must want presenatation too like the rest of us

    i'll be a real man and say sorry to you for what i said and excuse the language i used but i didnt like how you critized warrior310 for what he said because were agreeing with him, but think about it were only agreeing with him thats all we can do its not like were making the game bro and i doubt they would listen to us just because we said he has great ideas

     only gish sorry for the rude comments but why are we agruing on a computer over some comments another person wrote and only gish sorry to say but you started it by attacking warrior310 about his comments, but hopefully we will quit this stupid stuff because i'm pretty sure we all want a great madden because we all pay 60 for it, so we have our inputs, and of course some of these katz say unrealistic stuff to add it'll always be a stupid person that dont know what they are talking about and im not talking about you only gish im talking about other ppl

  • RJTheDestroyer said April 11, 2009

    I think this is a good update, hopefully it'll help some people when playing online. Also, about this argument...I think it's pretty pointless for them to add all these accessories (like certain coloured cleats, gloves, and those other player-specific things) when there are more important things to worry about. Having said this, I feel presentation is a big part of the game as well, but more-so on a bigger scale (not with these minor details like proper equipment). So far though, it seems like the game should be the best Madden yet in my opinion with the updates that have been released so far.

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 11, 2009

    jellybean, to answer your question.....if the gameplay was realistic, including real physics to calculate leverage and momentum then i wouldnt care if it were played in a 3D cube with no stadium at all.  

    let me ask you this....would you rather have a car that runs smoothly but doesnt have a fancy paint job?  or would you like the car that stalls at every red light and has a broken AC, but looks really pretty?  

    all the cosmetic changes are important.  of course they are.  but if they took the time to fix the gameplay once and for all.  then they could spend every year adding more detailed surroundings and effects.  im not saying all this because i hate realistic sidelines.  im saying it because i think EA is taking the wrong approach in developing this game, and i think more people should wise up and demand that they focus on the core problems that inhibit fair competitive play.

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 11, 2009

    if EA wants record sales this year, they will add create-a-play, and create-a-playbook for BOTH offense and defense in madden 10.  this is the most asked for feature by the madden community. they say they listen to our suggestions. theyve got the chance to prove it. there is absolutely no excuse for denying their loyal customers what they want.  

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    camren360 i know what you said lol but only gish is literally putting down everyones ideas like he's somebody if your a "programer" make your own football game and it will probally be boring as hell, you really don't have to comment on everything.

    im not replying to your  BS anymore!

  • NWCollapSe90 said April 11, 2009

    This might be my favorite post/feature ive seen so far. - the feedback from gamers playing the game in April.

    I like how the ai will adapt better. So people wil have to mix it up, aka chess.

    But, You guys talked about the replay value of the game. (online) This was a big big step.

    I wish you guys would do a post on how you guys are going to fix the leader board/ranking system. Put in madden09 go to top 100. How can some one be ranked in the top hundred if there AOL is 1-10. and there a 35+??

    here what i think will help fix this. Once a player gets to live 20 they only get the amount of skill points there opps lv is.

    I'm a 35 and ive broke it down to the amount i get.

    Opp,Lv. / points 4 win / points for loss

    1             24            -57+

    5             26            -50+

    10            26            -61+

    17            28            -47+

    20            30+           -45+

    25            32+           -45+  

    34            39+           -45+

    (i might be off some b/c u get/loss more based on your team)The risk for playing higher lv isnt worth it to top 100 players b.c they KNOW they will Crush a lv 1-5.

    But I shouldn't loss so much for playing my Skill Lv. Ive talked to the rank 1 & 2.

    And they said they don't play High levels b.c they loss to much. (13 for win,-60+ 4 loss) This year "opps squad up" was the True rank #!. But i got into the top 25 and i couldn't go up any more (b.c of free winners/bum hunters) So i quit for 4 months. But i can't stop playing I love this game. You guys need to make it where you can't be in the top 100 if you play Lv 1s ALL day. This would in prove the "replay value so much" PLEASE PLEASE at least talk about it the Dev. IF any one here agrees/disagrees please respond to my post. Hopefully they will listen to us. And fix the ONLINE RANKING SYSTEM...

  • NWCollapSe90 said April 11, 2009

    Also ADD create custom playsbooks. this will increase the replay value so much.

    Let us take it online. Allow online practice mode, switch playbooks in Offline practice mode.... Allow throw back uniforms online, make night games. make wind mean more then just can i kick this FG.

    ONLINE MINI GAMES <--------- PLEASE ADD THIS.

  • clwalton21 said April 11, 2009

    this madden just gets better and better.i love the idea of making this game like chess.a match of wits and execution is what football is all about...thx EA! This is definitely a great building block for the future.

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    great madden im loving it so far.

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 11, 2009

    warrior, shut the hell up.  youre the only one that is making this an arguement.  ive agreed that your lamer ideas are still worth adding to the game, but theres no way they should be at the top of anyones list of things they want added or fixed.  your post in all caps in the WR/CB interaction post doesnt even deserve to be read.  you shouldnt post in all caps.  its considered yelling.  but you probably already knew that, because ur the moderator of the internet.

  • southernmissfan2 said April 11, 2009

    only gish warrior said he was through arguing and wat do u do u have to try and start it back up

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    only gish for real i said im not replying 2 your BS but imma have to.

    your ideas suck

    your a little b**** that no one listens to.

    you made it an argument and don't try to tell me about my ideas and that it shouldn't be added.

    that post your talking about is way old, do you see me writing in caps now?

    now stop talking s*** cause im really tired of you.

    sorry ea and reader's who have to read this argument but this guy needs to hop off.

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    ok guys im done arguing for real.

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 11, 2009

    yeah, my ideas suck.  i bet u cant even beat the CPU on allpro.  that would explain why you dont understand any of the problems i have listed.  you probably spend all your time giggling about the gatorade coolers on the sideline instead of noticing that the things that happen ON THE FIELD are messed up.  

    Once again I will say this, because you keep misquoting me.  i'll try all caps, i know youll understand that.

    I DONT THINK YOUR IDEAS SHOULD BE DISCARDED.  I ONLY THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE PUT ON HOLD UNTIL THE GAMEPLAY IS FIXED.

    if you have a problem with that, then i dont care.  

    please dont mention my name again.  if you want this to continue then jump on xbox live and send the game invite.  I'll show you exactly what Im pissed about.  One play at a time.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    these are issues and suggestions far as gameplay

    1. I think the adaptive ai is a good idea because when i play online agaist cheesers they use about 5 plays and the computer is like retarded its not like i can controll all 11 on the field and pass defense is just horrible come on this is the pro the ai should be better to make offense more of a challenge and more strategic not cheese like when u play man coverage and the other user throws out routes and the AI keeps getting beat. Now if it was possible to use the cornerback i would use him but one problem i can never see him on the screen.

    2. Blocking logic: i would like to see limeman take better angle to make a block instead of just run in circles, c'mon they r on the field to block right why are the LT,LG,C and the FB not blocking or attempting to block instead of just running i circle, if u are a fan of HB toss play u know exactly what im talking about and it just makes me sick. Its one thing to get out manned try to block but not blocking is unexceptable.

    3. Pocket protection: i want to see a pocket when i play my franchise mode games if all my starter overall is 90+.

    I dont want to have to scramble and get walk by DT's with "no hips". When i say no hips i mean how fast these 300+DT's change their direction to make a sack. I literally had Tavaris Jackson and i scramble out the pocket and i have Albert hanesworth literally walk me down like he was some kind of grizzly bear or Hawk he is 330+ pounds thers no way i should get walked down by him. Thats no hips. He should play corner with the way he turns and manuvers. I want to experience those Big Ben scrambles that he has breaking like 3 tackles and throwing the ball, with DT walking me down that has no hips it Ridiculous.

    4. I would like to see more chants from the crowds in big situation during a game.

    5. Ballcarrier logic: The ball carrier should be interactive with his surroundings. If he runs into the back of a lineman he should bounce off him or stumble back or even fall rather than just nothing happens. And also they should be able to use the FB or any other person as lead  blocker and have his hand on him and then when a running lane appears he can cut off the blocker.  Or down by the goaline the ball carrier should push the blockers and dive into the endzone like u see in the NFL not everyone just bouncing off of each other, more people should be either falling foward or falling backward.

    5. why in my franchise mode the 2 safties have like 100+ tackles a piece but my 3 staring LB's only has like 30+ or 40+ tackles in 1 season. Just because i always control the saftey that doesn't mean he should have more tackles than anyone the Linebackers should be the first player on a tackle, I guess i have to pick u every aspect everything the computer lack right. DB's are more for coverage, DE is more so for pass rushing, DT is more for clogging the middle for no running lanes and LB's are more so for stoping the run.

    6. kick returning and PR is nearly impossible the retarded AI cant manage to block anyone r have the sense to open a lane or seam when i call return right or return left.

    7. more on the field talking and comunication between players. It funny how u see the coaches arguing and yelling when u cant hear one thing put a voice to them i doesn't have to be their voice, long as it has voice distinction between every race.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    plz only gish  and warrior everyones inputs matter instead of comparing their values to someone elses comments this is ridiculous.

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    CLOSE THE ARGUMENT RIGHT NOW !

    i don't even have a xbox 360 i have a PS3 (80g) get it right homeboy im not one of the top online players but i know what should be fixed and i will demolish you any day.

    i don't know what you do at home but don't go picking fights with people online, if your lonely go find a girlfriend or how ever way you roll.

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    if you read the comments only gish  started it im seriously done with this person ok guys but  realize you can't ignore a person that talks so much BS when he is very wrong.

  • PAWildBill said April 11, 2009

    I can't wait! All of this years improvements are aimed at making Madden a true sim.

    I love the adaptive AI concept. However, I would like to see it on both sides of the ball. I could see the offensive line adapting to safety blitzes or all out blitzes that are used over and over. The WR's adapting to press coverage. I am looking forward to holding that gotcha screen pass or HB draw for a critical point in the game.

    I am a little concerned about the defense adapting to stopping the run to the point were you can not pound a defense into submission with the running game, But I guess it will be possible with a mix of run play types.

    Keep up the good work. I can't wait for next week's post.

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 11, 2009

    warrior, i have not picked a fight with you.  you are the one that started with the name calling, and made this personal.  if you want it to end, then stop talking about me.  everything u post has a personal attack in it.  just shut the hell up.

    HERE IS THE FIRST THING YOU SAID TO ME: "ooooo please only gish no one agrees with you a you talk too damn much u have like 33 damn comments so please yourself"  its not even readable english, and ur begging for an argument.

    HERES ANOTHER INSULTING POST: "only gish is literally putting down everyones ideas like he's somebody if your a "programer" make your own football game and it will probally be boring as hell, you really don't have to comment on everything.

    im not replying to your  BS anymore!"    

    you insult my profession, and claim that im putting down "everyones" ideas.  not really, just yours.

    LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 11, 2009

    "if you read the comments only gish  started it im seriously done with this person ok guys but  realize you can't ignore a person that talks so much BS when he is very wrong."

    seriously dude.  you need to shut the hell up.  stop talking trash about me.  ur saying i started this argument by stating my opinion, when in reality the argument didnt start until you replied with multiple insults.

    once again, shut the hell up and leave me alone.

  • King_Whoopazz said April 11, 2009

    This is what really ticks me off... Last time I played the wr for the other team caught the ball at least 1 yd out of bounds in the endzone and it was called a td! And it was inside 2 min so there was no booth review. I ended up losing the game because of that. That really needs to be fixed. And the crowds too.. if a team is up by 20 with 3 minutes to go in the game..the stadium should be half of more than half empty, instead of still being packed and the crowd jumpin up and down with flash bulbs goin off..thats completely unrealistic.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    Yo shut up!!!!!!!!!!! stop arguing over the computer do u hav a life. plz

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    HEY IDIOT only gish

    heres what triggered me

    only gish said

    April 10, 2009

    please dont listen to warrior310.

    im ending this argument now you homo and like jellybean said hop off dude.

    right away with that comment your attacking me, now if your not a *** stop writing back.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    if u guys r going to argue dont do it over this blog do it somewere else because everyone should be just sharing suggestion of the new madden 10 and u guys argument is taking up more than half of the blog and peoples ideas are being washed away because of u 2's nonsense plz SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    Yo screw only gish he has no life to sit and argue all day long

    your pretty good with ur suggestion of the game and i want to hear them screw i dont care if he reads this

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    Yo shut up!!!!!!!!!!! stop arguing over the computer do u hav a life. plz

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    sorry for the foolishness i should have been more mature to his ignorence.

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 11, 2009

    warrior has been arguing for just as long.  go ahead and kiss his nuts.  you can all have your precious authentic colored cleats, and rose scented tampons.  if you dont give a *** about the game itself, then why even play it.  

    ANYONE who reads this can send me a game invite on xbox live.  Then again, anyone who cares about the pregame and the coin toss would probably quit in the 1st quarter after failing on 4th down on their own 30.

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 11, 2009

    if you cant spell ignorance correctly, then you are not qualified to use that word.

  • A Hot Man Beast said April 11, 2009

    Ok, here is my contribution to this whole argument. You both are wrong. If you guys didn't take the post personal, you wouldn't be in this argument. Everyone who is supporting Warrior310, you are adding fuel to the fire. You are setting Only Gish off to make another statement that pisses more people off. I believe that both of your ideas are great, hell anything added to Madden seems like an improvement. Only Gish, you shouldn't have said "Don't listen to Warrior." Warrior, you shouldn't have antagonized Only Gish. Unfortunately, I am going to have to agree with Only Gish about the gameplay. I do want the gameplay fixed but I am also a man of presentation. Pretty much all of my posts have been about presentation mainly for the fact I am too lazy to go indepth with gameplay. So can we PLEASE stop this argument and actually insert our IDEAS. This is why the Madden Devs are posting their stuff, not so we can have petty arguments.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    wow only gish how old r u, u sound like a little kid is it that serious yo. get a life plz

  • A Hot Man Beast said April 11, 2009

    Now for a question of mine to the Madden team.

    Does the new momentum thing have anything to do with trucking?

    I was confused about this because you were talking about turns. If it is not used for trucking then I believe it should. The factors that would go into that would be 1) How fast each player is going. 2) The weight of each player. 3) Where the collision occurs.

  • A Hot Man Beast said April 11, 2009

    Also, to this argument going on, I do want spectacular gameplay but I do have a bone to pick with those equipment guys. Why do you want special facemasks? You HARDLY EVER see them. What would be the point in that. Cleets, I can go with you on that one. You HAVE to have nice shoes..... in Superstar mode. I don't see why you want neck guards (or w/e) to be appropriate sizes. I don't notice them. If you want good jerseys and stuff, thats different. That is highly noticeable. I am not a programmer and idk if that stuff takes a while to fix. If it does take a while, NO, use that time to work on something more important. If it doesn't take much time, fix it so people can stop complaining about that and give you better ideas.

  • patWILDCATwhite said April 11, 2009

    Bone5k.  i dont know you.  so i dont know why youre talking about me.

    youre probably just warrior logged in as a different name.  

    im done playing your childish games.  have fun insulting me even though i have no idea who you are, and i only came here to talk about madden, not to be personally attacked.  later.

  • southernmissfan2 said April 11, 2009

    will u shut up only gish your acting like a 3 year old get a life

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    dude only gish not arguing but i don't even know bone5k and he doesn't have my p word  so get that idea out your head.

    im warrior310 and bone5k is bone5k.

  • jellybean3454 said April 11, 2009

    no i wouldnt want a car like that i would want a car that runs gud only gish, but why attack someone on their feedback when they didnt even make madden the way it is now if you wanna attack somebody attack the creator of madden

  • chumba_wummba said April 11, 2009

    I have read this entire argument.  only gish has made good suggestions, and I feel that they would be far more useful than a lot of the other stuff.  I agree that those big problems should come before the things said by that other guy.  

    No offense intended (i dont want to be bombarded with hateful posts) but southernmissfan2 you are the only one acting like a 3 year old that I see.  Maybe not responding would have been the better choice for an adult like yourself.

  • chumba_wummba said April 11, 2009

    I think only gish is right.  warrior310, bone5k, and southernmissfan2 all type with bad grammar, run-on sentences, and use vulgar, provoking language.  I'm an english professor and I grade a lot of papers.  I can tell that these are all the same person.

  • RocAfellaYa4eva said April 11, 2009

    Lmao. Yo yall dudes sound like a bunch of girls for real. Can we please STOP with the BS. Everybody whos ganging up on Only Gish needs to fall back. Its not that serious. And Only Gish, i think you just went about what u were saying the wrong way. You're trying to make it sound like these dudes ideas shouldnt count and thats not fair. However, i do agree with Only Gish in that prorities need to be in order. No one watch NFL games either live or on T.V to watch the sidelines or because of the Pre, Halftime or Post-game reports. All of that *** would be a good look if it were enhanced, but thats not what DRIVES THE GAME. Simulation gameplay is whats being advertised. And thats what we should get. To many years have gone by with EA refusing to just break down the whole game and start anew. Instead, they have just emplimented Bullshit to offset Bullshit. Whether its on the Offense or Defensive side of the ball they never seem to bring it 60/40 no less 50/50. And ive had my thoughts about why they cant seem to give us a game as close to perfect as they can get. And thats because.........future sales! They must seem to think that ppl would stop buying the game if all that changes are the names. I dont know about yall, but i would still by it. And when the GAME is fixed then the presentation could DRIVE THE GAME. Millions of ppl every year spend thousands of dollars to go to football games. Or any other sporting event for that matter. Ultimatly resulting in an outcome they everyone knows is predetermined. They'll be a season, a playoff and a Champion. The only difference is how these outcomes are reached. Its always a different story. So.....EA Please just fix "THE GAME"

  • xXxMaddenKilaxXx said April 11, 2009

    I agree with Roca and Only gish.  Gameplay should come before the minor details like sidelines.  

    Warrior is acting pretty mean to only gish.  I wanna say that people do agree with only gish.  Whether he went about saying it the right way or not, he seems to know whats wrong and I agree with him that those things should come first.

  • thomasengn9 said April 11, 2009

    NICE - THIS IS GREAT STUFF. something i have to say about madden (separate issue) that when someone is in a deep zone, they dont really play a deep zone. they just wait for someone to come in their zone, then play man coverage on them. so if someone is running a streak, they will just wait for them to reach them, then trail a couple steps behind them and get burnt. in a deep zone, they should make sure they dont get burnt like that but instead, play off them deep more. i cant really play cover 3 because all you have to do is run a streak with the slot receiver and he gets a td.

         also, players should recognize where their help is. so if i have 4 deep zones and a receiver fakes inside, they outside guy shouldnt bite on it because he knows he has help inside. sometimes 2 or 3 guys will fall for the same fake and all get burnt.......................................1 last thing for now - about the visuals: in the original screenshot of madden 10, if you look at the way ben is holding the ball, he has one finger on the grip, and his pinky below the grip...i looked at pictures of real quarterbacks and EVERYONE has 2 or 3 fingers on the grip. no one holds the ball to throw it like they do in madden right now.

  • thomasengn9 said April 11, 2009

    o yeah i forgot - PLEASE add more zone blitzes to the playbooks

  • dracula--6 said April 11, 2009

    1. it would be nice for my offensive linemen to sustain there blocks and not let the defender go as soon as i get there. it would be nice for my offensive linemen to be capable of blocking a 3 man rush, it would also be nice if my fullback would block the first guy in our way instead of running straight past him to block somebody els.

    2. if i take control of a defensive i lineman if would be nice if i could actually break through or overpower the guy (based on players using) instead of being knocked down to the ground.

    3. i'm sure this is just my lack of knowledge but when i throw the deep ball i can never make my reciever jump off the ground he only puts his hands out and the defenders jumps up and knocks it away, what am i doing wrong if anything please tell me somebody.

    4. if i'm running with felix jones on a toss play than i should be able to outrun the angle of a d-lineman who is running east and west.

    5. i play online, if i have a good linebacker why does he let the ball fly right by his head for the other team to make the play and other times they jump 10 feet in the air to stop a pass over the middle.

    6. get rid of chris collinsworth god damn i hate that guy he never shuts up. i get mad enough as it is and than he has to say something stupid to push me ver the edge

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    omg could you guys read the part that started the damn argument .

    only gish said

    April 10, 2009

    please do not listen to warrior310.

    im gonna explain this thing

    he's telling the ea guys not to listen to my brilliant ideas so i took it as an attack.

    technically he started he was saying my ideas are bull**** and everything.

    southernmissfan and bone5k are 2 different people.

    now chumba, not arguing but who cares if your a damn professor?

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    are you dudes that agree with only gish friends with him on xbox live or something? because what he said about my comments were pretty unreasonable.

    would you guys jump into an argument with 2 guys on the street?

    no right, so i suggest you stay out this one and please don't start the bull**** back up.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    hey this is bone5k and i didn't team up with anyone i told both of them to shut up so chumba wummba leave my name out of that dog

  • CAMREN630 said April 11, 2009

    only gish you have so many valid points like you said 21 and now this is the first step.ea waste so much time and focus on stuff like rewind and virtual trainer but they have not got the actual gameplay right yet.if they have not fixed gameplay issues or worked on the presentation what have they been selling us this whole time?ea takes something away then brings it back and say here guys this is your brand new feature.all ea is concerned with is making sells this will be another half *** project made by ea i mean if you listen to them on ea live they dont sound to sure bout how this madden will be i get mixed emotions when they talk and i wish those radio guys would stop kissing their *** telling them how great their games have been when they have sucked what nfl game are they playing cause i sure would love to have their copys.

  • TreyIM2 said April 11, 2009

    IAN! I LOVE YOU, MAAANNNN!! Truly, you guys are really going hard, this year, and I have nothing but love for you and the crew. This Adaptive AI sounds great. I'm actually listening to Phil's podcast, right now, and yours is up next. Fumble pile ups this year?? YES!! I hope it turns out great so u can keep it in the game. I don't have much else to say, right now. U guys are swinging for the fences BEHIND the stadium in front of the house across the street from the stadium, if u get my analogy, and that's all I can ask. Thank u, thank u all.

  • A Hot Man Beast said April 11, 2009

    Ok Warrior310, I TRIED to be nice but you set me off. Now I am completely with only gish. He might have said "Please do not listen to Warrior310" but you are a complete ass. You are conceded as well by saying "he's telling the ea guys not to listen to my BRILLIENT IDEAS." How do you know your ideas are brilliant. Quite frankly, I have seen plenty of other people post the same ideas. You aren't that original. To answer your question, no, I am not friends with only gish and the first time I have ever seen that name before is when I saw it here. Before your last posts, I thought that only gish was the BK. But I find it quite sad that you have to make someone look bad by getting on different accounts. Isn't it a bit curious that when southernmissfan makes a post, your gone? Isn't it a bit curious  that when bone5k makes a post, neither warrior310 or southernmissfan are posting. Isn't it curious that you all make the same grammar mistakes and that none of you have proper grammar. Isn't it curious that you all support each other. I saw a post from one of those guys that was saying that they agree COMPLETELY with warrior310 on EVERYTHING. I just find it sad that you make it seem that different people are against only gish when it is you. If i am right, and you are all 3 people, than you are a troll. I was told off, w/o any reason, by bone5k on another post so you my good friend, get a life

  • SPHoushmandslama said April 11, 2009

    How about some faster DBs? Its nearly impossible to get a pick 6 in Madden 09. I'll get a pick and the sideline will be wide open but a 300 pound lineman chases me down because Asante Samuel is jogging down the sideline? Some realism in speed would be nice. Cut back on OL speed and boost the DBs and QB speeds.

  • xXxMaddenKilaxXx said April 11, 2009

    warrior310.  do you think we are idiots?  you have been using bad language and calling names over and over in your comments.  I think I've read more than 5 times that you are going to stop arguing with only gish.  But he hasn't posted anything in awhile and you are still arguing with everyone else.  You're making yourself look bad dude.  Give it a rest bro.  And just because I agree with only gish doesn't mean that I'm friends with him on xbox.  I play on ps3 neways.  I agree with him because his suggestions are good.  I prefer gameplay over the rest of the gimmicks.  Pretty much everyone I know that plays Madden would agree with only gish too.  I've been complaining about a lot of this stuff for years now.  

    peace,

    kila

  • CAMREN630 said April 11, 2009

    rocafellaya4eva you and only gish are completly right gameplay should be addressed first i never argued him with that but my thing is for so many years ea has cheated us and come up with so many excuses on why they cant do something how bout they just tell us they suck at making nfl video mgames.cause if 2k sports was still aroud ea would be in trouble they had all the stuff we want in madden as far as presentation and their gameplay was on the way, why is it that we are 4 years removed from 2k and still speak about it?its because ea has not made a better game than 2k5.i mean lets be real you guys have been making games for 21 years now and still have horrible presentation and your gameplay is still not right what have yall been building for all these years?stop taking things away and bringing them back you guys change the whole game every year.one more question why cant you guys make the people on the sidelines better why is it so hard to put the real people over their and have them interact with the game?2k had this why cant you guys is it because your lazy and just dont care about making a complete nfl experiance?yeah i think thats it.

  • prettyrik said April 11, 2009

    lol you guys have been arguing for two days thats crazy. TYLER d GOSS is right about the whole argument. You both have valid points and pushed each others button to continue the back and forth negative commenting, but I will admit again that gameplay is more important than customization IMO no offense Warrio310, so don't start sending negative comments at me ok. Also Warrior if you listened to EA sports Live interview on Friday Ian said one of game testers main concern when he first got on the sticks at community day event was the customization of players. So there are people who feel the same way you do about customization and they might be able to add some of your request not all though. As far as cleets go thats pushing it a bit man c'mon man can u really see difference in the middle of a game? Hopefully the new online mode that they also talked about in the interview would be spectating games online, now that would be HOTTTT.

  • A Hot Man Beast said April 11, 2009

    I know prettyrik, I know. Cleets was a little much but I CAN see them. It isn't that big but I am a Dolphins fan and their cleets are B.A. They are orange and what not. Mhm sweetness. lol

  • xXxMaddenKilaxXx said April 11, 2009

    prettyrik  if i had to guess what the new online mode was, I would guess either online practice, mini camps, or 4 player matches.  I would like to see a spectating feature.  It would be fun for league matches.

  • xXxMaddenKilaxXx said April 11, 2009

    lol, so joey porter will have orange cleats when dancing on Tom Brady's knee next year.  one can only hope his knee gets killed again.

  • A Hot Man Beast said April 11, 2009

    I am probably going a little bit over the top here with a suggestion but a full on 11 v 11 game would be cool. Have one person be the QB and another guy be the lineman and so on. I feel it would be cool and yet be lame at the same time.

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    i never mentioned anythng about cleats and could you guys drop it do you all really think i would sit here and create different screen names to argue with someone come on now.this is a madden post not a debate post.

  • A Hot Man Beast said April 11, 2009

    I really hope he gets injured again. I like my team being the AFC East Champs :)\

    Nice Joey Porter comment, I lol'd.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    how is 2 teams arguing going to make madden better, honestly both teams suggestion r good.

    right now its warrior and company versus only gish and company

  • A Hot Man Beast said April 11, 2009

    Nothing personal Warrior, but we don't know you. For all we know, you are some 40 year old guy who lives in his mothers basement (not saying you are). We don't know what you are like and some people are like that. I just find it a bit coincidental that all of those things add up. I never said that you said anything about cleets. I said something about cleets and we were just talking about that. I may have said that I had beef with guys that were all about equipment but none of that was aimed towards you.

  • A Hot Man Beast said April 11, 2009

    WTF??!?!!!?!?!?!!?!?!???! My name changed to yungzo27..... lmfao? What's going on here. I am TYLER d GOSS. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • A Hot Man Beast said April 11, 2009

    NVM, changed back. Phew

  • xXxMaddenKilaxXx said April 11, 2009

    warrior, let it go.  stop being so defensive.  you cant win every battle.  just suck up your pride and stop talking about it.

    tyler, 11 v 11 would be insane if they could manage to make it lag-free.  each team could use private chat to talk.  and players could chew each other out for missed assignments.  would be awesome.  maybe madden 2050 will have it.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    aLL of yall are wrong 4 keeping this childish argument going on

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    guess its good 2 see everyone wants 2 see the game better in madden 10 and hopefully everyones ideas are considered

    thank

    Bone5k,

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    ok now that this is done tyler d i am a young man that just wants to make madden better every argument that i had here was because of someone attacking my idea.no one knows who anyone is on this, not arguing but only gish could possibaly be that 40 year old dude.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    could everyone get off of eachothers sack 4 once

  • xXxMaddenKilaxXx said April 11, 2009

    im starting to think that quicknezz is the same person as warrior too.  same grammar, and he is the only one still talking about it.  check out the grammar in this post....6 misspelled words (just by seeing them underlined) and countless run on sentences.  this guy is truly lame if he is making a bunch of accounts.

    QUiiCkN3zZ said April 10, 2009

    thats a cool post man very realistic and what happens in real football.

    But from playing madden 09 i would like to see them improve the HB toss play because on 09 the tight end just ingnores the guy in front of him and go blocks the saftey or someone on the other side of the field and the fullback completely misses his block and the 2 guy pulling absolutly hits nowone and i get hit for a 7 yard loss everytime i call HB toss plays. I want to see more effort in blocking down the field with a sense of ergency  to help the RB out

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    im bone5k QUiiCkN3zZ is my GT

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    yeah and i did state that so whats the prob maddenkilla

  • dracula--6 said April 11, 2009

    is it possible to make my reciver jump in the air to catch the ball over the defender or am i just stuck watching the corner jump up in the air and swat it away while the reciever just never leaves his feet

  • A Hot Man Beast said April 11, 2009

    Hmm, you see that Ian? 11 vs. 11!!!!!! It has potential. But first, I think you should get the lags and network problems off of online play. Then once you have that accomplished, work on 2 vs. 2 play. Work your way up to a full on 11 vs. 11. I think it would be cool, kila thinks it is cool, who else thinks it would be cool. If you do think it is cool, give us some ideas on it so we can go all out on this idea :)

  • A Hot Man Beast said April 11, 2009

    Ok "Bone5k" aka Warrior310, can you stop being so immature? You are always talking about "getting of of peoples sacks" or "nuts". I am 15 and I am extremely immature but it isn't even funny. You have male genatalia (can't spell) to the brain. Maybe you could be better off saying "Can we stop harrasing each other?" or something of that nature because it is getting annoying. And Warrior, I am a young man too. I don't take things further than they need to go. You could have just called only gish a bk and told him to back off. Instead YOU made it an argument. YOU were the one who kept adding fuel to the fire. YOU make it sound like you were the victim. YOU probably are going to set off only gish with that 40 year old dude comment. I am sorry, but I am going to try to stay out of this argument as long as I can. But if you, or any of your other accounts make another douche bag statement, I am back in this.

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    now do i write like this quiickn3zz dude does? no, when he is signed on as bone5k he says yo in every sentence he writes.now every one please know that i have 1 screen name im not some freak who makes multiple screen names just to agrue.(not saying quiickn3zz is)

    i didn't know that it will get this serious and i hope this will be the last  comment about the argument and what not.

    yes it was rediculis to argue on here for 2 days so act like it never happened.

    and yes i have to be defensive because yall making it seem like im crazy.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    i not warrior thats why i keep commenting back im bone5k yo

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    dude i am not bone5k that dude is crazy and im younger than you.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    i said that like an hour ago dude what r u talking about yo

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    i switched 2 QUiiCkN3zZ because that is my actual GT i had 2 personas and it was on the wrong 1 i want to have it on my actual GT that why

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    this is just a big coensidence it turns out that bone5k aka quiickn3zz is writing at the same time as me.i would belive that he was me by reading the comments but seriously i am just warrior310 i have no realation with bone5k and quiick3zz. i just want you guys to really belive me.

    I AM WARRIOR310!

  • klanaux@yahoo.com said April 11, 2009

    wow so now the cpu will play d for you completely do its own hot routes and change your play call to stop a specific offensive play that's crap if your not smart enough to stop something that is happening over and over you deserve to lose  

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    can we start creating ideas without arguing with eachother

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    could we have more uniform designs and stadium designs for create a team.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    if u keep running something over and over they should pick up on what ur doing and be more frequent to stop the play.

    u must be a cheeser if u like running something over and over klanaux@yahoo.com at least that how u make it sound.

    cheese players run the same 4-5 player the whole game which are exploits and the cpu controlled players should be able to pick up of what u are doing i think that fair and more realistic yo.

    PEOPLE THAT ONLY RUN 4-5 PLAY ARE CH33S3RS YO MAYBE NOT U KLANUX BUT MAYBE OTHERS

  • A Hot Man Beast said April 11, 2009

    Warrior, you are not helping yor argument that you have multiple accounts. The fact that you are so defensive is making me think that you are. But I am done with this and want to get back to talking about what is important.

  • jellybean3454 said April 11, 2009

    tyler goss i'm not trying to start nothing but how bout u just stay out of warrior310 and bonek5 business because if they keep doing watever they are doin they are only making themselves look stupid not saying warior310 and bonek5 are stupid just sayin by you saying they stay in their mom's basement is only sparking more drama just don't make a comment to them when they make a stupid comment and again not saying they making stupid comments just sayin

  • klanaux@yahoo.com said April 11, 2009

    cheese or not dosent matter, every thing in this game can be stopped even the plethora of glitches have counters if some one runs the same 4-5 plays all game it makes it that much easier to stop since you know whats coming

    i dont like this feature because they are dumbing down the game    

  • A Hot Man Beast said April 11, 2009

    On the Madden NFL 10 Feedback Event Wrap-Up post, I give props to JSmithDk (Or something like that). I liked 99% of his ideas. I thought they were pretty cool. Some were wack but for the most part, they were cool. Go check his post out.

  • klanaux@yahoo.com said April 11, 2009

    and when you say they who do you mean the CPU who is playing the game you or the computer if you want to just play call then watch the CPU run your play jump on head coach

  • A Hot Man Beast said April 11, 2009

    I feel there is a VERY fine line between cheesing and good gameplay. If a team is doing something and it is successful, why stop doing it? You say it is cheesing if someone is epicly successful. I mean there is a difference between running that play 20 times and running it 50 times. Why should someone stop doing something if it is successful? I mean rocket catching is cheesing. But running it right up the middle the whole game isn't. If Madden inserted some sort of fatigue thing, people who use the same player for the same play the whole game would have something coming to them. If you say "throwing it to Randy Moss the whole game is bull!" than you are dumb. If I am not mistaken, T.O had like 20 catches in a game irl. The same concept applies in Madden. The line I would draw to determine whether something is cheese or just ownage is the realism.

    Rocket Catch: Cheese

    Finding a whole in the defense and constantly pounding at it: Not Cheese

    PLUS! I myself play 5 minute quarters, if I see something that works, I'll do it. If I only have to do 4-5 plays to win, why not? It is not like I am playing 15 minute quarters where I am going to use a plethera of plays? It just needs to be realistic.

  • klanaux@yahoo.com said April 11, 2009

    and this feature will take that away example

    your opponent is running cover 2 over and over and your pounding the seams with you te on a quick streak from what i can tell even though the d is in that cover 2 over and over the cpu will correct the d to cover the route thats BS they are making this game easier and easier and i dont like it. the game is easy enough this year sh*t a 12 year old made it to the final 8 at players bowl last week

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    i agree about some of the comment u said but it all depends on the type of plays the player calls to determine if it is cheese or not running the ball is not cheese at all thats what i do about 35 to 40 times a game but streak to randy moss the whole game is cheese but running the ball is a mans game in the trenches.

  • klanaux@yahoo.com said April 11, 2009

    you throw streaks to randy moss all game im getting at least 6 ***

  • klanaux@yahoo.com said April 11, 2009

    35-40 runs a game what quarter length you running i con barley get in 40 offensive plays in 5 min quarters

  • klanaux@yahoo.com said April 11, 2009

    i guess picks is a bad word ints.better i gues

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    my bad maybe like 20-30 runs but im a smash mouthy guy on O

  • EdDYBobO said April 11, 2009

    You guy are doing great so far just need to make the run style better and the tackles in the gameplay better,because the hits on ps3 madden 09 are just chessy and don't look real,but so far you guys are doing great

  • IceInTheseVeins said April 11, 2009

    One idea I've had for both sides of the ball is a "discipline" rating. Discipline is the most important attribute in football, over everything else, no doubt. I think on offense it could be a "blocking discipline" attribute, and on defense it could be a "assignment discipline" attribute. I say this only because I was playing today actually, and two things happened that made me just say, "What the f*** is that guy doing?!" and throw and almost broke my controller. I was playing the first game in franchise as the Steelers against the Texans, and I ran a single back 2 TE to one side counter, and Anthony Weaver was slanting to the TEs but was lined up over the tackle, he ran the slant to the strong side and both Heath Miller and Matt Spaeth watched him run to their right and they just kept going to the second level, I got hit for -4 yard loss. Than, on defense, I the 3-4 gap press play called on 3rd and 3, with my corners up tight, pinched my defensive line, and I spread my linebackers out so I didn't get beat on the toss, and what does the computer do? Toss play out of the I-Tight formation with only one tight end to the toss side, but what does James Harrison do? Well he tries to jump the play I guess and crashed right into the tight end and gets tied up, McFadden gets knocked over, Ryan Clark ends up getting blocked by the guy who knocked over McFadden and Steve Slaton is running up the sideline for a 43 yard TD run. There's been plenty of other stuff but I think if for certain "sets" or even individual plays if you had what each position is suppose to do to maximize the defensives effectiveness, than had the discipline rating there to effect how often they actually do exactly what they're suppose to, more players would have boom or bust potential in the draft, and older players who aren't physically gifted anymore would still have value. It's just an idea, also, please work on the way the defense anticipates run/pass. I did an experiment the other day, I ran 4 pass plays, all successful for 7+ yards, different formations too, than I came out in Shotgun-4 WR and ran a draw, you know what the defense came out in? Base 4-3 with no one lined up over the Slot WR's. WTF? Ran it, got stuff, ran another successful pass play, came out same formation the next, same draw play, defense came out in base 4-3 again.

  • IceInTheseVeins said April 11, 2009

    Also, I know you have to make it capable for every team to be able to do well under whoever is playing, but, please do something to fix the defenses, if Pittsburgh can hold single rusher for 16 games under 100 yards rushing, ad if for 14 games of 16 I think it was they can hold a team to under 200 yards total offense I should be able to use Pittsburgh and do the same and have games be low scoring, the computer always seems to pick the perfect play against me no matter how much I mix up my man/zone/zone blitz/man blitz/no blitz zone whatever I do, they do something perfect and screw me over, I can't get sacks with Pittsburgh OLB's even they Woodley/Harrison combined for the most out of players playing opposite each other, and it almost seems like in My Skill which has everything up to past All-Madden except pass defense which is almost below Pro, the QB would almost rather throw an interception than take a sack, I have played this Houston Texan team about 20 times in the past week trying to get a somewhat realistic result of a game instead of just destroying them over and over again, and I noticed that I'll almost get to the QB and instead of taking a 5 yard loss on 2nd down he'd rather throw the ball of his back foot into the middle of the field to Clark or Polamalu, which he had down well over 15 times in the games I've played, while I've only gotten 6 sacks in the 20+ games I've played, rediculous.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    hey man good post yo,

    thats true cause like say if it was 1st quarter 3rd down and 12 the cpu is on the my 10 yd line instead of taking the sack and kick a FG they would throw an int and not score any point and needs to be addressed. The CPU should just take a sack and get the 3 points

  • Mr-Happyface said April 11, 2009

    there shud be a connection bar showing when you go to the play now area(whether it is good connection or not).

  • usmfan45 said April 11, 2009

    shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • xROMO_9xwinz said April 11, 2009

    Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends... glad the fighting is over..lol..I noticed someone said 11 on 11,what about leaving one lineman and go with 7 on 7 which is very popular in Texas, that way you have one on one on the skill positions. ect QB,RB,3WR,TE,and one lineman that would be my sugestion, but the 11 on 11 would be kool too...

    Everyone has differant things that make stuff speical to them.. What if everyone only wanted to be a stat guy or what if everyone was a gameplay guy that was making this game, it would be boring..What I'm saying if I worked with EA I would not be the guy to put in every detail on computer AI.. My thing is visual detail. I want to see the real life equipment the players wear, thats my thing.. Now with that said there is other problems that need to be fixed that prob need more attion than mine but if you sqeeezzzee them in I would be so happy oh and Isaiah Stanback's WR for Cowboys, his speed is wrong he is a lot faster in real life..lol..

    Thanks

    Romo

  • slydelvecio said April 11, 2009

    QUiiCkN3zZ i heard they fixed the game so the toss play does work with fast rbs that arent as good inside. Also if a player continues to throw streaks and corner routes does that mean the cb will jump the route and pick it off almost everytime afer they are burnt a few times. Because I hate playing the Pats and have some bum just throw it deep to Moss all day against a 3rd cb cuz he moved him to the slot.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 11, 2009

    the toss play doesnt work no matter who is at running back what r u talking about???

    nothing can work if there's no blocking and lineman running in circles......

    im not asking the CB to jump the route everytime it just probrably put the DB's in better position i can do that my self i dont get beat deep i play cover 3 all day.

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    how about we have a street football 7 on 7 thing where there's only skilled positions playing eachother on or offline.

  • A Hot Man Beast said April 11, 2009

    Warrior, not to down you or anything but street football would be kind of lame IMHO. We are playing Madden "NFL" 10 OR W/E edition. You could maybe put the 7 on 7 street game on NFL Street 3 or w/e version it is. I guess that 7 on 7 MIGHT work. But lets say that someone likes to play O-Line and doesn't get to play because it is only skill positions. How would you make the destinctions on who to cut off? And I found another flaw in my plan. How would you do that? I think it would end up being like a super duper expansive online Superstar mode. I think that would be bad a**. You would have to start in the NCAA version of the game. Start the online thing "Superstar" mode there. It would be 11 on 11 there as well. Play until you get to the pros. Then you have stats and you go through a real draft. IDK how to determine who would be a coach or a gm. But it would happen. Then when you are in the NFL, a player would be a coach. The coach would have been hired by a real player, acting as a GM. The coach would have the opportunities to bench a player and etc. It would be like real life. Then once you retire your player, you could have several options. Either you could go into announcing games, since they might allowing spectating in the games, it would be pretty sweet. Or you could go into coaching, NCAA or Madden. You would, of course, have to be hired by the player (GM). You would want to be friends with a lot of people. In my vision, it would be like Madden franchise mode + Madden superstar mode + NCAA dynasty mode + NCAA campus legend mode + NFL Head Coach + OMG AMAZING. Well, the possibilities of my wanting are slim to none. Just got to imagine dont'cha know?

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    not trying to start arguments but it's not what you want, every one gets the same madden copy i just said it would be neat to have something like that and it seems like your opinionating on my ideas only.

    just saying so don't feel defensive or attacked.

  • warrior310 said April 11, 2009

    but tyler i see what your saying

  • xROMO_9xwinz said April 11, 2009

    The 7 on 7 could be a mini game or the 11 on 11 which ever, and make it a online mini competition..all good ideas

  • olemissrebels39 said April 11, 2009

    Bring the Euphoria engine into Madden. That would make this an amazing game even if everything else sucked.

  • LHR witness said April 11, 2009

    this is AI is good, cause patfinest54(close to top of comments) is in my online dynasty and he puts a wr@qb&just running. its driving every1 crazy cause dude has like 97 speed rating and nobody can stop it, his guy is averaging like 16 yards a carry, hopefully the new AI and player persuit angles make this easier to stop because though it is stupid its near impossible to stop especially if your me and your fastest player has like 92 speed.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 12, 2009

    Yo i played the NFL HEAD Coach 09 and i went through the Draft, man it was mad realistic yo.

    Tod McShay was talking about who won the heisman and all these stats of the other player and it was cool yo madden should work with head coach to impliment some things

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 12, 2009

    hook and ladder

  • EQUation21 said April 12, 2009

    To ONLY GISH SAID:

    How would you know what the adaptive AI system can do when nobody has played the game yet??? Play the game first before tellin everyone what it does.

  • prettyrik said April 12, 2009

    EA please take out the back juke that animation is horrible the PS2 version was way better just a subtle hesitation. Also the one arm body slam done by RB's isn't too realistic. Instead they should just bounce of tackles a little out of control if the running back is strong enough to keep his balance still allowing the defense to make a tackle or RB to break away if the user stick skills are good enough, which is a win/more realistic situation for both offense and defense.

    This is minor but can the smart route for your receiver to run to the first down mark be changed to a button instead of clicking R3. Not sure if it's just me, but sometimes it's not responsive online and offline and your receiver doesn't run to the first down mark not allowing you a chance to get a first down. When playing somebody head to head you don't want to show your play every time to make sure it was done right. Even with bluff play art it won't really matter on 3rd and long.

    I'm able to live it with, but the running animations could be and look more natural. If you look at a replay of the defense chasing an offensive player on a break away play you could see how robotic everyone looks and the difference between someone who is faster than others doesn't look to smooth/natural. Hopefully slowing down the speed of the game will really improve this.

    Last thing I think there should be a least some type of animation for OL to at least show some effort even if they are beat on a play. It's really frustrating to see your outside tackles let a defensive end go right through the inside "UNTOUCHED". I know this has to do with defensive play calling and blocking schemes/def stunts and what not. However, I think it's real rare that a defensive end will go through the inside of an OL (between the tackle and guard) without even being touched or the defensive team not sending a blitz worst case scenario one of the offensive lineman would "TRY" their best to knock the DE off balance or hold them and hope to not get caught for a penalty than allow their allow their quarterback to get murdered in the backfield by DE coming full pursuit. It's a lot more noticeable with the suction effect on sacks that you guys explained in your earlier posts, because even if you see him coming you still can't get the ball out no matter what the game will override what reaction you where trying to and give the opposing team a sack.

    Keep up the hard work guys. Hopefully you could take this post into consideration for madden 10 or madden 11.

  • warrior310 said April 12, 2009

    dude don't go copy and pasting your stuff man im pretty sure they are gonna read it.

  • xROMO_9xwinz said April 12, 2009

    What about combining the two games as they did last year but have them linked to each other or on the same CD make it like $89 bucks; with game play,franchise, and online play with the madden10 like it is now but have Head coach linked to the franchise mode so when the offseason comes you put in NFL head coach10 go thru all the stuff like senior bowls,combine,visit,pro days,Draft and then training camp after you get through all that download it to madden like you would with the NCAA Football players then your ready for your new season..If anybody has already thought of this then I'm not stealing Ideas ( We must think alike) ..lol..So that way if the off season stuff is your main concern but still like to play then this would work for you but have a CD for people that just want madden have the oofseason but at lesser dept..anyway just a thought ..

    Thanks EA

    Romo

  • dwademvp3 said April 12, 2009

    Adaptive AI and DB Wide Receiver Interaction are good features and you could make everything situational so when a DB needs to keep a WR away from the sideline with six seconds left in the game he would throw the WR off at the line and probably jump the rout.   The WR would try to cut the DB and beat him towards the sideline and that would create more realistic pass interference calls.  

    GOOD LUCK EA I'M READY FOR MADDEN HOLIDAY!!!!

  • dwademvp3 said April 12, 2009

    Is Adaptive AI just for the Passing Game because that wouldnt be real because if Michael Turner is burning the outside of the line the defense would be prepared for that

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 12, 2009

    preetyrick i agree man i have so many problems with OL not hitng a soul and just running in circles preety much.l

    1. Another thing i wanted to touch on is player momentum,on madden 10 if i juke out a defender and he hits or runs into a teammate then his teammate should be out of the play, but on madden they just bump into eachother without losing any speed and walks u down.

    2. Goal Line stalemate : this is just a thought please comment

    how about like gears of war 2 how the have those chainsaw stalemates, who ever presses the button faster will win the battle at the line of scrimage either a loss a gain or if it is tied up no gain. the faster u push the button the harder the line will push.

    Have more players falling and piling up on the ground.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 12, 2009

    adaptive ai is for everything, offense and defense dwademvp3

  • Black Mamba205 said April 12, 2009

    olemissrebels39 I think they are looking into the Euphoria engine on Madden 12 i believe. I know its been said they want to use it sometime in the next few years.

  • warrior310 said April 12, 2009

    www.naturalmotion.com/euphoria.htm

    that euphoria thing is cool check it out.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 12, 2009

    olemiss want the 11 on 11 game but i dont think it would be fun  because nowone doesn't want to block 4 someone else running the ball

  • warrior310 said April 12, 2009

    dudes this is fire right here this is jaw dropping please look at this!

    www.backbreakergame.com

  • slydelvecio said April 12, 2009

    Going off of what DCowboyLivE419 said, and i totally agree, in order to make online play better add more to the career page option of each player. In the PS2 version it would tell you how many more points were requried to level up which is helpful. Also, someone once said there should be cheeser/ glitcher marks that show up on a players career when you look at it, this would be helpful because it is really hard to find a str8 game, especially when win streaks are broken by qb glitchers. Also, keep roster updates going in the offseason. People play Madden in April, I don't want to play the cowboys with Owens, Williams (SS) and Thomas still on the team. Add in more stats like % of ints, catches, frc fumbales or tackles that are done by the user. This will show wo has stick skill and who doesn't. Personally I get at least 1 user pick 9 games out of 10 which I return it for a TD more than half the time. I want to know how many Defensive TD's I have in my career and what other people have. Why? Because if I'm facing someone with 4 defensive Td's in 50 games i'm not gonna worry about him taking one back to the house.

  • warrior310 said April 12, 2009

    slydelvecio i agree with you on the roster update thing but i don't think they would do it because they want you to continue buying the new maddens.

  • slydelvecio said April 12, 2009

    And QUiiCkN3zZ i know the toss doesnt wrk in 09 thats why i said i heard they fixed it meaning that in Madden 10 it actually is realistic and you can beat your opponent on them even if they dont pinch the line. Also what happened to online mini tournaments? Put those back in

  • Lilzo_wood said April 12, 2009

    Why dont helmets get knocked off anymore during hard hits? They should definately bring this feature back, also more cleats to choose from other than those ugly Reebok cleats. Put some Nike, Adidas, and Under Armour cleats in Madden, and more facemask types and helmets.

  • slydelvecio said April 12, 2009

    well they should do it untill th new one is released I can't see any harm in that. Because you point does make sense

  • SPHoushmandslama said April 12, 2009

    This time around, I have 2 things to comment on.

    1) OH MY GOD. I just watched the euphoria trailer Warrior310 linked for us. I hadn't heard of it before today and all I can say is I want it in Madden. Probably won't get to it this year or else they would have mentioned it by now, I'm sure.

    2) Much less important than any other thing anyone's talked about in any other blog. Even less important than Gatorade jugs on the sidelines. How about a better choice in the Madden soundtrack?? I'm sick of listening to really good songs that have every other word dropped out because they're not mild enough to be in an E rated game. Either put songs that are 100% clean, petition the FCC to loosen it's grip on society, or don't put a soundtrack to it at all. It bugs me to the point where I mute my TV the moment I turn on my 360 (that goes for commentary too). Can't stand Collinsworth's idiotic remarks and Tom Hammond is not Madden worthy.

    Okay, okay. I have a 3rd suggestion..well, it's more of an agreement.

    Presentation is weak as we've all read and possibly stated ourselves. I think since EA has the NFL License, there should be different presentations based on the day of the week games are played. Thursday Night Football should have an NFL Network presentation (Collinsworth is okay in this scenario), Sunday Morning games should be Fox (Joe Buck and Troy Aikmen) or CBS (I don't watch AFC games and I'm in So Cal so I have no idea who does commentary on CBS), SNF should have an NBC Broadcast with Madden and Michaels and the Horse Trailer Player of the Game, and last, but certainly not least, MNF! Who doesn't look for their team's Monday Night game when the schedule comes out? I know this is a lot to impliment into a game, which is why I don't expect it to be in Madden 10. But I'm sure if the Dev. team started working on it immediately, it could be in the works for Madden 11 or 12. One can dream, can't he? Haha All this is of course on top of amped up playoffs, Super Bowl, and possibly Pro Bowl which others have mentioned.

    Damn, my ideas keep comin to me as I write about what I have in mind. Suggestion #4 just popped into my head when I mentioned the Pro Bowl. If you've watched any coverage leading up to the Pro Bowl, they have different activities that the players participate in for fun in the week before the game, i.e. Fastest Player in the League, QB Challenges, Relay Races, etc. I think it would really deepen the Franchise mode.

    There's a part of me that believes EA doesn't change all these things in one year because they want to make the money, but another part of me believes that they honestly haven't come up with the ideas themselves. I mean, why else would they open up a forum for us to discuss these things? Like I said before, it's not like these things we're suggesting will all be in Madden 10, but hopefully they will keep our suggestions readily accessable for the sake of the future of the Madden franchise. I have a serious feeling that once the exclusive license contract nears its end, EA will HAVE to kick it up a notch to ESPN NFL 2K5 or else 2K will come back and Madden will pale in comparison to a returning NFL franchise.

  • SPHoushmandslama said April 12, 2009

    One more thing haha How come when I'm playing my franchise with the Eagles, Sav Rocca is my KOS and David Akers isn't? EA should impliment a Punt Ability rating and Place Kicking rating. My punter shouldn't be able to kick field goals better than one of the best kickers on the league.

  • usmfan45 said April 12, 2009

    spwhatever, u might not like gatorade jugs but other people do but,  i do  like your ideas even though i do think there should be a soundtrack and warrior backbreaker is awesome i saw that the other day

  • warrior310 said April 12, 2009

    SPHoushmandslama well said i agree with that.

    but man i would play madden 10 24/7 if they had the euphoria thing.

    that trailer brightened my day lol.

    madden guys, take a great look at that link i made really study it.

    with the coin toss please stop making the CPU choose receive all the time and make the coin toss realer.have the ref annoucing what they pick etc...

    fix the dunk celebration and take the blue zones off the field after you score.

  • JSTEVENS38 said April 12, 2009

    QUiiCkN3zZ said

    5. Ballcarrier logic: The ball carrier should be interactive with his surroundings. If he runs into the back of a lineman he should bounce off him or stumble back or even fall rather than just nothing happens. And also they should be able to use the FB or any other person as lead  blocker and have his hand on him and then when a running lane appears he can cut off the blocker.  Or down by the goaline the ball carrier should push the blockers and dive into the endzone like u see in the NFL not everyone just bouncing off of each other, more people should be either falling foward or falling backward.

    i was just about to suggest that, when your running and you get behing one of your blockers in front of you, by not holding turbo you can get behind them, hand on back, and almost control them too directional wise, but to make it fair you can only go as fast as your blocker, and then to get off either hit turbo or turn hard off, i think that'd really help out on tosses which are impossible now, and the goal line idea is good too, i use the titans and the only reason that lendale white got his 15 TD's was becuase he was able to push the pile by the goal line

  • warrior310 said April 12, 2009

    in franchise mode have the cpu teams create new uniforms and let them switch up their scheme instead of having them wear their same standard home/away uniforms.

    in franchise mode if a player such as a running back gets a broken leg or what ever their speed should go down perminately.also if they get banged up too much they should be prone to retire or their ratings should keep going down.basically make the injuries matter.

    in practice mode i will like to choose what facility to practice in.

    back to the injury idea, say if peyton manning gets consecutive arm injuries,his big arm should go down a notch and he should become like a chad pennington type QB.

    the qb should point out the blitzes and coverages(if he thinks the D is doing cover 2 he should put 2 fingers in the air to send his wide outs a message).

    the QB's arms should not be cut up (muscular looking).

    just got another idea, have the players get cuts like a scratch or something.

  • Leyland said April 12, 2009

    i think its clear that we are all nerds here on these forums regardless of whether or not you stay in your mom's basement. If you leave a comment about how Madden needs to change and lord knows it does, then you're a geek. We all live in our mom's basement here.

  • RHS2012 said April 12, 2009

    This is all fine and good, but what about the changes for superstar mode? Maybe I'm the only one who believes this, but it used to bother me when i would be drafted 3rd round every time, no matter how good my player was in college. True, this is not a very big thing, but it could change up the draft and rookies future careers if the team went with a wide reciever instead of a running back. I won 4 Heisman Trophies in 4 years at college, was a 4 year starting quarterback, won 4 national championships, and set every rushing and passing NCAA record, and was drafted in the 3rd round with an annual salary of 2 million, even though my quarterback was 99 overall and started his rookie year. I just think it is stupid, bt if this feature isn't changed, it's not that big of a deal, and it won't change the gameplay.

  • usmfan45 said April 12, 2009

    navdel speak for yo self

  • SPHoushmandslama said April 12, 2009

    A practice feature in Frachise would be nice. Something more than the "Train Active Team For This Game". More offseason options would be nice also. I went through my offseason in about 5 minutes. More depth in gameplay is basically the one thing that sums up everyone's ideas haha. BTW, usmfan45, I wasn't bashing on the Gatorade, I was actually bashing on my own suggestion saying that the soundtrack is even less important than the gatorade jugs haha And it's pronounced S.P. Hoosh-man-slaw-muh. Like TJ Houshmandzadeh in case you couldn't tell. haha

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 12, 2009

    backbreaker with that euphoria engine rocks yOH MY GOD im getting that game just because it has that euphoria enegine so cool yo

  • usmfan45 said April 12, 2009

    o my bad

  • CAMREN630 said April 12, 2009

    a few things i would love to see in madden.

    1.i want to be able to select what i want to challenge give me a list.

    2.better blocking from the o line i get tired of my linemen watching people run by them without attempting to do anything,or when i hit a hole with my rb then my lineman seems to always want to let their man go.

    3.wr/secondary.cbs jump way to high in 09 needs to be fixed and i cant stand when i throw a pass to my wr and im hitting the catch button and he does nothing just continues to run.i dont care how far i am from the ball if i am pressing the catch button do something dont just keep running.

    4.i want to see players jerseys come out of their pants every once and awhile,helmets getting knocked off,grass stuck in face maskses show teamattes getting grass out of the facemask for them.

    5.something where the rb is fighting for every yard like yall said which i think you guys have addressed but i am a bills fan and i watch marshawn lynch the boy is tough he keeps them legs moving.now this should not go for every back i dont wanna see sproles carrying pat willams.so if you guys do add this make it realistic.

    6.online franchise is a must i play in a couple of madden lgs through league daddy i get tired of writing down my stats and typing them on to that site.so we need a good online franchise stats,awards,college recruits for our next season the ability to trade and so on this will change the expieriance of madden forever.

    7.i hear alot of people say they dont care bout presentation which sounds a little crazy to me cause the game must look just as good as it plays cause if all the guys on the field weighed 150 pounds and the gameplay was amazing it just would not feel right.

    8.so what i want to see from the presentation is.better sidelines this is a must for me i want to see the actual guys on the sidelines when they are not in the game,i want to be able to run into them,i want to see them moving around over there,i want them involved in the game.for example im down two with 3 seconds left in the game show my guys on the sidelines holding hands on their knees or people walking around pasting on the sidelines,if i hit the kick let my guys run on the field and mob the kicker,show the losing team on their bench with their heads down and towels over them.if things are not going right between my qb and his wr show them having a dispute and if they start to get things togehter maybe after a td we see the qb walk over to his wr and they make peace while both of them drink some gatorade.

    9.different commentators this maybe a problem because you may have to pay them but i would like to hear different people every once and awhile.

    10.same reason as number nine but weather its online play or off i would like to play different games on different channels,example a sunday night game on nbc,games played on fox and monday night football on espn this will add to the nfl expieriance.

    i know we are asking a lot from you guys and you probably wont be able to add all these things to the game by release date but all we ask for is a better game one that i can finally say this is next gen.note this ea i know alot of us can be tough on you guys on this blog but its only because we are behind yall and we want a better nfl game.keep up the push to make this happen.

  • xROMO_9xwinz said April 12, 2009

    The euphoria one word 'SWEET!!!!!!" I want that game ..lol. thanks warrior310

  • warrior310 said April 12, 2009

    your welcome all who watched it.

  • SPHoushmandslama said April 12, 2009

    No worries usmfan.

    So, every time I decide to make a post, it's because I just got done playing yet another game in my franchise and find something that could use some tweaking.

    This time, it has to do with the Run/Pass commit. I feel there's no need to ever use the run commit. Every defensive play, i can load the box with a "show blitz" and slam the thumbstick up for a pass commit and if they decide to run, i have the box loaded and I can stop the run every time. I have an All-Madden Run Defense that's completely full and it's all because of this technique. On the flip side, I can Pass Commit, but my DBs are constantly 10 yards behind a WR when he catches the ball. If I commit to a pass, I'd expect my DBs to be a little more concerned with their man.

    Staying on the theme of the right thumb stick, can we make the Hit Stick/Highlight Stick a little more responsive?? When I throw the hit stick, my defender will NOT respond right away at all, resulting in him throwing himself at the air. Conversely, when I have a power back, I'll throw the Truck Stick and I'll get completely laid out by a CB that's not even a big hitter. I really think this is where the euphoria engine would come into place.

    I'm sure 90%(over exageration) of our ideas will NOT be used in Madden 10, so we can't really be upset when we don't see 100% improvement. We CAN be happy if we do see SOME of our ideas because that means EA really is reading our posts and taking fan opinions into consideration. In a way, I guess you could consider us a part of the development team, that will eventually pay them for using our ideas haha

  • IceInTheseVeins said April 12, 2009

    I'm getting into this a little more as the draft gets closer. I was thinking, the highlight moves, stiff arm, back step, juke step, etc. needs to be revamped. As most of the time unless there's no one behind a player, a RB or WR doesn't bodyslam/throw a guy in front of them, half the time it's a stiff arm that throws the guy behind them while high stepping to avoid the defenders hands (which, will that even be legal anymore? I don't quite understand the new Brady rule which is bullshit) or like the one dude said stiff arm and get a little off balance and keep going. The back step is too exagerated too. Otherwise, I'm terribly excited and every thing sounds great so far.

  • GAMMSTER said April 12, 2009

    www.youtube.com/watch

  • GAMMSTER said April 12, 2009

    www.youtube.com/watch

  • supdog23 said April 12, 2009

    I may have missed this if asked already but will the AI only adjust if the same play is called or will it look at the routes from the play being called or if a hot route or audible is called will they still adjust?

  • slydelvecio said April 12, 2009

    the euphoria engine was also used in GTA 4 i believe. It's a good idea but i'm not sure how well it would work for madden, at least with currnt technology. It looks like backbreaker is more of an arcadish game then madden if you know what I mean. I agree it looks amazing and the idea is great. But, I feel that with that engine the gameplay would be lacking. Notice how they don't show any passes in the original trailer, just kick returns. I havent seen any actual gameplay yet.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 13, 2009

    On madden 10 i want to see the WR use more double moves in their route running like Santana Moss or Steve Smith or Braylon Edwards to get open. None of the double move plays r in the playbook in madden 09

  • warrior310 said April 13, 2009

    slydelvecio again i agree but look at the realism, madden has been trying to get that realism for years now.if they put that euphoria engine in the game i wouldn't even care about franchise mode lol.

    but i think they are still developing it.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 13, 2009

    in madden 09 i see too many DL jumping and hurdling over OL to sack the QB. Come on the they are there to pass protect not to cut block, 310+ pound DT or actually jumping over the guard and hawking the QB down with 50-60 speed like a freakin Grizzly bear yo, its ridiculous.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 13, 2009

    got any more ideas warrior to share

  • usmfan45 said April 13, 2009

    where is the new update i wish they would say some other stuff about franchise and  to people who dont know this ea's agreement with the nfl ends after the 2012 superbowl so 2k will have another chance all though i doubt that 2k outbids ea after all ea's got way more bucks than 2k

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 13, 2009

    Juking Logic : far as all the cut moves i think its corny i like the juke moves in 2k5 it was alot more realistic and way better footwork also in stead of guys in Madden 09 running around with no hips and changing direction in a dime.

    Spin move Logic : spin moves should only be used after contact, its more realistic. In madden 09 the spin move is abused too much, realisticly spinning in the open field should throw the ballcarrier off balance and slow him down. Look at Knowshown Moreno and his highlights at georgia He has the best spin move i've ever seen but they all come after contact not in the open field

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 13, 2009

    In madden 09 the franchise mode was the same thing as madden 08, absolutly nothing different about it.

    C'mon EA u got sponsors from NFL Network and ESPN make use out of it yo. NFL Head Coach made great use of it far as the career mode.  Madden 08 is the same thing as madden 09 pretty much, from the menu screens, the franchise, the superstar, and etc.

    Honestly EA should get rid of backtrack and add another better feature to the game than that because i never use it and i certainly know how to play the game of football and i dont need help, the info is not very useful anyway. Give us another feature that can be better than backtrack seriously.

  • warrior310 said April 13, 2009

    quiickn3zz are you being serious or sarcastic but yes i do have more ideas.

    the game should have shoulder blocks and cut blocks.

    shoulder block vid

    www.youtube.com/watch

    cut block vid

    www.youtube.com/watch

    it will be nice to see a detailed halftime show for franchise where they will show us highlights of the current game and other games played by the cpu.

  • usmfan45 said April 13, 2009

    did u see hines ward when he hit ed reed thats was awesome

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 13, 2009

    for the presentaion stuff i dont really think EA will consider this because they would probrably sound like robots but, how about let the user have a option to  control what the announcers say before u play the game, type in the words to say 4 the pre-game and at the end of a game. For example, good morning football fans its a great sunday morning for football, or something else that can be a funny comment or humorous to make the game exciting and enthusiastic to play.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 13, 2009

    im serious warrior ur brilliant yo

  • twiztedjuggalo1 said April 13, 2009

    there's a debate on nfl.com about who the best #2 draft pick in history...you know who has the most votes??? Lawrence Taylor, he's got more than masrshall faulk, eric dickerson, randy white, and tony dorsett! so why do you keep giving him the cold shoulder by putting those other legends in and not him?! i want to play as LT!!!

    and the time it takes for the CPU to punt is ridiculous, i started watching the play clock, they line up and then take an addtitional 10-15 seconds to snap the ball, that's very frustrating and should b changed so they snap the ball after only "single-digit" seconds

    mid game saves!!!

    i agree that offensive linemen need to be able to maintain blocks, i rarely run to the hole anymore because when i'd get ready to burst through it, my o-lineman would let the defender slide off and smother me...NOT COOL!

    we need to be able to decidie what we want to challenge

    as far as cleats and stuff, thats good, but i also want the players in the pro bowl to wear their own team helmets

    mid game saves!!!

    when the other team punts it when they're on my 30 yard line it really takes away from the fact that you FINALLY added the ability to return missed fgs (which is awesome). but they need to try for those long ones, like from my 40 or even 35.

    i wanna play as bill romanowski too, he was a mean s.o.b.

  • GAMMSTER said April 13, 2009

    sorry that i posted the same comment twice.please don't suspend me from being able to buy madden this year. I agree with that guy up there though. The CPU takes to long to punt. It's so long that I've made a game out of it. I have to see if i can touch every other player on my team with the DT before they snap. I can do it too

    I also think the people on the sideline should look better. That sideline scheme has been there too long. Come on this is MADDEN 2010!

    Please get rid of backtrack. No one wants to see how they managed to screw up and loose the game over and over again. I think everyone skip's it.

    I also agree with that other lad. I mean I love the spin move but it works so much better then every other move and the guy doesn't slow down at all.

    And Make the line play look better please if possible but that's obvious.

  • GAMMSTER said April 13, 2009

    OHH!! PLEASE allow players to gradually slow down before stopping or start at a heavy/light jog. Because in madden 09 the players have 3 modes; sprint,run, stop, but im saying like have us be able to slightly move the joystick. You know, like the more you move it up the faster the player runs, vice-versa. Why is this needed? Well to like if the player was a running back and he was just handed the ball and there was no hole open. Instead of coming to a complete stop to wait for one, he can just go slower as one develops or if the Running back has got into the secondary and is waiting for his blockers to catch up and block the safteys ahead of him, he could just jog while the blocking receiver sprints ahead of him. And finally, how many times do you see a player just start slowing down as he reaches the end zone and he passes the line at a very slow crawl. there is no one behind him. That's what the players do and it feels so cool but you can't do it with 09. Try it. Madden fans please agree if you agree.

  • usmfan45 said April 13, 2009

    i agree with gammster but im sorry to say but it is to late to add any of the features we have been asking for unless they have already added them the same for ncaa football

  • usmfan45 said April 13, 2009

    i agree with gammster but im sorry to say but it is to late to add any of the features we have been asking for unless they have already added them the same for ncaa football

  • usmfan45 said April 13, 2009

    i agree with gammster but im sorry to say but it is to late to add any of the features we have been asking for unless they have already added them the same for ncaa football

  • GAMMSTER said April 13, 2009

    awesome someone agreed with me. USMFAN45 your cool. Idk maybe we are giving them ideas for madden 2011 then.

  • CAMREN630 said April 13, 2009

    warrior i dont know how long you been playing madden but i can recall back on either madden 92-93 they use to show us highlights of other teams games during our season this is something that should have stayed on madden and they cant tell me they could not do it cause the technology has gotten so much better.if you read alot of peoples post we all are saying bring this back bring that back,my question to ea is why do you guys continue to take good things away?this franchise should be so much further than what they are right now and its kind of sad i really dont believe i will get that full nfl feel until 2012 cause its going to be hard for them to make a dramatic jump from 09 to 10 i know it takes time to build something great but ea you guys had 21 years i hope i am wrong about 2012 and you guys will suprise me this year.

  • oozy09 said April 13, 2009

      You kno wats sad....the ps2, and the dead gamecube had a whole lot of better physical featurs. Like mouthpeices,nosestraps,and secondary colors (which will be added). I don't understand how basketball games can have all these brands and different physical features on the shoes and socks.....why not madden on cleats and gloves?

      Players in basketball have a way of throwin, passin, shooting, and dunking.....in the NFL each player has a different running style and quarterbacks have different passing styles why not including that?

      If basketball games did this i think madden should include this! And change the broadcasters they are annoying.

  • QUiiCkN3zZ said April 13, 2009

    how about locker room speeches and how about ray lewis dancing and pumping up his team before the game

    what time is it........game time...........any dogs in the house........ roof roof

  • oozy09 said April 13, 2009

    Madden 07 had nice player models and if we combine those with 09 graphics it would be cool.....just one of those things that would never happen......realistic player models.

  • warrior310 said April 13, 2009

    madden please use the euphoria engine.

  • oozy09 said April 13, 2009

    towels.....check.......fixing player motions......check......chaingang......check.......fix awful snow lighting effect.......unchecked......upgraded PLAYER EQUIPMENT......never going to happen........MADDEN 10......SLIGHTLY better than 09!!!!

  • Inside EA said April 13, 2009

    Hello Madden fans, welcome back for another Monday Madden NFL 10 blog from the development team. It has

  • topPROSPECT said April 13, 2009

    Fantastic! hopefully it actually works as opposed to the 09 version where it's painfully obvious that the cpu knows which play you pick and counters it every time. each time i audible at the line the cpu does too and shuts down my play. that's frustrating. all pro is too easy and all madden is far-fetched.

    Please please PLEASE incorporate "loft" into the passing system. i pass heavy and im just really tired of getting picked off by a linebacker who is 15 yards in front of a receiver and nowhere near the play, because the bullet pass travels in a straight line from the quarterback's hand to the receiver. there needs to be more arc on the passes. even the bullet pass. gravity does the work in real life. i played the position. ive thrown many passes as hard as i can and regardless of whether or not im an nfl quarterback no one can defy the laws of physics. i know its unrealistic and it has been one of my biggest concerns with this franchise for years. i hate to say it but even Pro Football 2K8 simulated passing better than madden.

    i would also really love to have the ability to create a playbook and take it online. everyone has their own style and it would make the entire experience more enjoyable if i knew the playbook inside and out and built it to suit my own needs. if i get beat at least i know that i was out coached and not that my playbook is inferior to my opponent's defensive play calls. i rarely use more than 5 or 6 plays in a game because i simply can not find a book that suits my style.

    thanks for listening.

  • Black Mamba205 said April 13, 2009

    Warrior, I read that Madden wants to use Euphoria engine in a year or so. They said they would use the current engine for about 5-6 years then explore more options. So you may see it in Madden 11 or 12.

  • topPROSPECT said April 13, 2009

    P.S. BRING BACK PREGAME INTROS! alternate between players running out of the tunnel (the ONLY good feature in madden 06 on xbox360), the stretching and warm ups from previous madden titles on PS2, and like one of those brilliant minds stated in an earlier post.. team specific cheers like the one Ray Lewis does.

    What happened to create a fan? now that you can interact with the crowd by running up to the stands after scoring a touchdown, our created fans should be sitting in those seats!

    And finally, give the defense a short playclock that stops the flow of real time and allows the player to make defensive hot-routes! it's a useless feature if you're playing online because most people use hurry up and just snap the ball before you can make changes. i have a great connection but lag devastates the best features in the game. call of duty works just fine so i dont want to hear that it's my modem.

    thanks again.

  • AwEsOmO 305 said April 13, 2009

    This isn't new. They've had "adaptive AI" for years, and in fact, they marketed madden 08 on the ability of the game to "play to your style." This better not be the same damn thing in a different package. I will be quite pissed.

  • gatdaddy said April 13, 2009

    EXCELLENT!!! I RECENTLY POSTED A COMMENT ON REWARDING PLAYERS FOR CHOOSING THE CORRECT DEFENSE AND SUPPRESSING MONEY PLAYS

  • lbb33 said April 14, 2009

    this year madden can we please have custom camera angles.

    this year madden can we please have custom camera angles.

    this year madden can we please have custom camera angles.

    this year madden can we please have custom camera angles.

    this year madden can we please have custom camera angles.

    this year madden can we please have custom camera angles.

    this year madden can we please have custom camera angles.

    this year madden can we please have custom camera angles.

    this year madden can we please have custom camera angles.

    this year madden can we please have custom camera angles. please!!!!! l love this game and thats all its missing to make it the greastest madden ever!!!!!!!!

  • STEWtheChef said April 14, 2009

    I wonder if this will work on the offensive side of the ball. Hopefully the line will learn to pick up blocks on people that continually come in untouched and to block people who line up ten yards behind the line the of scrimmage.

    Also, the computer should adapt to which hand your quarterback throws with and flips the playbook accordingly for you.

    PLEASE

    PLEASE

    PLEASE.. Make it an option to choose the throwing hand orientation of the quarterback, I want to play as a lefty Peyton Manning! I am left handed obviously. I agree that loft should be added to quarterback throws.

    Also, Warrior310 is an idiot. Only Gish-you seem to be like someone I would want to play Madden with. I think you would agree that kids today have totally ruined sports..

  • warrior310 said April 14, 2009

    stewthechef your an a**hole so shut your mouth

  • pantherboy19 said April 15, 2009

    PLEASE EA WEEKLY WRAP OR PRE GAME SHOW USE ESPN TO THE FULLEST SRRY BOUT THE CAPS JUST HOPE U READ ME

  • loyshon said April 15, 2009

    Madden needs football players to design their game. Ian looks like he has never played football.Do away with the hitstick.Make field goals harder.improve run blocking.IMProve game AI.Have all uniforms,coaches,and player faces.Improve game physics...I need to be able to move my DL by tapping with a linbacker.If a player is able to run threw another player pre-snap than the game is crap. If my middle linbacker runs threw my DT before the snap thats just lazy programming.have the game change perspective once the running back gets threw the hole.more incomplete passes.players should turn up field and not go out of bounds.half time show with clips from the game.players need to react to whats on the field..if a D player is down, he should be hurled or jumped without the need of a button press. receivers need to run back to the qb when he scambles.online cheat that occurs when you are winning and the ass quits but your are forced to take the loss has to be blocked  

  • loyshon said April 15, 2009

    can we get first person football, a return policy that if we arent satisfied with your product that we can return within 72hrs for a refund or exchange.we need all time teams with correct numbers( i understand no names...cheap) custom soundtracks

    for anything in the game ie:punt, fumble, INT.Run blocking is just bad, less gimmicks and better game play and viewing angle..I want to controll my dbs and play bump and run without a delay in response time.Real game penalties that i can rewind and see. play challenges that work and can be called on every play. I want to see runners stumble and place hand down for balance, DBs drag feet for int,dbs jump route, Fs not getting beat deep in zones

  • loyshon said April 15, 2009

    I want a game better than MLB the show 09, NBA 2k9 ,college hoops 2k8, I want a game that feels like football and not feel like a fighting game that you have to use combo button presses faster than your opponent.I want a games that plays better

    than 2k5. I want trap and pulling plays to work,I want correct team packages based on formation without having to sub.I want players talking to oneanother,active animated sidelines and fans, I want to create signs and see them in the crowd.I dont want to hear that we will fix that next year. I want good game commentary and stadium sounds.I want a fast DB to be able to run down a RB.I want in game fatigue

  • loyshon said April 15, 2009

    great post ibb33, we need custum cam angles...Madden is broken and should take a year off...If 09 was as good as Peter M and IC hyped it to be then nobody would mind

    playing it for another year.I still play College hoops 2k8 and greatly enjoy it.Let's not bash Madden, or hope that it gets better, or listen to lies, just dont buy it for a year or two and it will become the game that it should be.As it is now you purchase,and wait for a patch and pray that the next year will be better..it has not come close to tecmo superbowl or NFL 2k5

  • loyshon said April 15, 2009

    I want stop and go patterns to work, i want defensive players pointing out to teamates what their assignments are.dont release a game with clipping issues, you have been doing this for to long...If an arm goes threw another player ,I want my $64dollars back.I want players breaking their zone coverage when they see the ball,we need better passrush.I want coaches yelling at the refs. I have to be able to move my DL pre-snap by tapping with a linbacker. ALL QBs need different throwing

    animations and zip on the ball..I should be able to tell differnce in QBs just by watching their throwing motion and zip on the ball..rookies should perform better..tacklling must be greatly improved..no more stiff arm and gone done the sidelines..more plays should be caught from behind..do away with the random holding call...more pass interferrence..do away with the easy field goal from 55-60yards...half time show with game clips!!!!!!!!!!all team uniforms...I would pay a $100.00 for a good not perfect game of madden...I ordered madden championship ediction for $100.00 direct from EA for the sega genesis back in the day and it was worth every penny!!!!!!!!

  • aaaceventura said April 15, 2009

    having this adaptive ai is a big step and hopefully it fixes the bugs that the game currently has. i agree with most of the ppl on here stressing to ea about a legit gameplay for madden 10 i really do hope ea actually makes madden an enjoyable game for the millions of users. please ea eliminate these glitches as they ruin the game for all of us. the ai has to be fixed for all games not just madden. nab, nhl, and fifa all have to be looked at and adjusted and use the same concepts as madden is using. im crossing my fingers that this actually happens.

  • HurricaneT said April 15, 2009

    IF EA SPORST AND MADDEN WANT PEOPLE TO STOP SAYING THAT NFL 2K5 IS THE BEST GAME THEN THEY NEED TO INPUT THIS ONTO MADDEN 10 ASAP!!!CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO ON THIS WEBSITE www.youtube.com/watch AND MADDEN PEOPLE UR REALLY NEED TO PUT ON MADDEN 10

  • HurricaneT said April 16, 2009

    THE MADDEN 10 SHOULD BE LIKE THIS GAME NFL 2K5 I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE GAMEPLAY AND GRAPHIC SHOULD BE LIKE THIS BUT IM SAYING THE HALFTIME SHOW AND THE ESPN SHOW AND ALSO THEY SHOULD SHOW THE STATS AND THE YARDS PER GAME AND STUFF CHECK OUT THE ESPN SHOW www.youtube.com/watch MADDEN 10 SHOULD HAVE THIS AFTER EVERY WEEK. THESE NEXT VIDEOS I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THE STATS THEY SHOW DURING THE GAME AND ALSO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE TALKING

    1ST QTR www.youtube.com/watch

    2ND QTR (WATCH HOW THEY SHOW THE OTHER SCORES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN AND ALSO HOW THEY SHOW WHEN THE DUE GOT INJURED AND THE STATS)   www.youtube.com/watch

    3RD QTR www.youtube.com/watch (WATCH WHAT THEY SHOW AT THE BEGGINING OF THE GAME WITH THE RECORDS YOUR NEED SOMEBODY LIKE SUZY AND ALSO LOOK WHAT THEY HAVE ABOUT DAVID GARRAD THROWING 4 STRAIGHT INCOMPLETION WATCH THE CHEERLEADERS AFTER THE QUARTER MADDEN DONT EVEN HAVE CHEERLEADERS)

    4TH QTR www.youtube.com/watch (WATCH HOW MAD FRED TAYLOR IS WHEN HE DONT GET THE FIRST DOWN WATCH HOW MAD THE CROWD GETS WHEN THEY THROW INTERCEPTION AND THEY ALSO SHOW THE RECEIVING COMPARISON ALSO LOOK AT HOW ALL THE CROWD LEFT)

    AND AGAIN I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE GAMEPLAY AND GRAPHICS I THINK MADDEN HAVE THE BEST GRAPHICS AND GAMEPLAY THEN ANY GAME ON THE MARKET BUT IF YOUR COULD INPUT SOME OF THIS FROM 2K5 THEN YOUR COULD HAVE THE  BEST GAME EVER!!!!!!!!!

  • HurricaneT said April 16, 2009

    THE MADDEN 10 SHOULD BE LIKE THIS GAME NFL 2K5 I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE GAMEPLAY AND GRAPHIC SHOULD BE LIKE THIS BUT IM SAYING THE HALFTIME SHOW AND THE ESPN SHOW AND ALSO THEY SHOULD SHOW THE STATS AND THE YARDS PER GAME AND STUFF CHECK OUT THE ESPN SHOW www.youtube.com/watch MADDEN 10 SHOULD HAVE THIS AFTER EVERY WEEK. THESE NEXT VIDEOS I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THE STATS THEY SHOW DURING THE GAME AND ALSO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE TALKING

    1ST QTR www.youtube.com/watch

    2ND QTR (WATCH HOW THEY SHOW THE OTHER SCORES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN AND ALSO HOW THEY SHOW WHEN THE DUE GOT INJURED AND THE STATS)   www.youtube.com/watch

    3RD QTR www.youtube.com/watch (WATCH WHAT THEY SHOW AT THE BEGGINING OF THE GAME WITH THE RECORDS YOUR NEED SOMEBODY LIKE SUZY AND ALSO LOOK WHAT THEY HAVE ABOUT DAVID GARRAD THROWING 4 STRAIGHT INCOMPLETION WATCH THE CHEERLEADERS AFTER THE QUARTER MADDEN DONT EVEN HAVE CHEERLEADERS)

    4TH QTR www.youtube.com/watch (WATCH HOW MAD FRED TAYLOR IS WHEN HE DONT GET THE FIRST DOWN WATCH HOW MAD THE CROWD GETS WHEN THEY THROW INTERCEPTION AND THEY ALSO SHOW THE RECEIVING COMPARISON ALSO LOOK AT HOW ALL THE CROWD LEFT)

    AND AGAIN I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE GAMEPLAY AND GRAPHICS I THINK MADDEN HAVE THE BEST GRAPHICS AND GAMEPLAY THEN ANY GAME ON THE MARKET BUT IF YOUR COULD INPUT SOME OF THIS FROM 2K5 THEN YOUR COULD HAVE THE  BEST GAME EVER!!!!!!!!!

  • Nezmac said April 17, 2009

    hey, one thing i have noticed is that the AI doesn't realize that they might be in the deepest zone. So lets say when a WR runs a streak and he has burned his man coverage with the corner the saftey might stop defending the WR if he runs far enough past his zone. though the saftey should stick with him because their is no one behind them to stop the play, and that is the safteys job to make sure nothing get behind him.

  • topPROSPECT said April 19, 2009

    All i heard about last year is how wonderful and realistic the new offensive line blocking scheme is. well where is it? it's worse than ever before. pass blockers don't hold their blocks for longer than a second. the 3 man rush is dominant like never before. are you seriously trying to tell me that 5 men cant block 3? give me a break. i watched gaines adams hurdle 3 different blockers once on a single play and sack my quarterback. the offensive tackle.. hurdled, i called in the fullback to block.. hurdled, moved around in the pocket and the next lineman to finally pick him up.. hurdled, then sack. i don't understand why every year you guys brag about the adjustments you've made and then when we get the game its worse. i also heard about how you guys cut down on the outside pass rush. in real life defensive ends don't take such extreme angles to outmaneuver an offensive lineman. if they do it takes them out of the play. yet every year they get wider and wider and still to this day come around untouched and rack up sacks. do you play it? it happens every time! it's not like it's one of those things that you could miss. when a team as a whole gets 5 or more total sacks in a game it makes the highlight reel on sportscenter because it's rare. but in madden individual players finish 5 mintute quarter games with 4+ sacks! what the hell?! ..and then there's run blocking. these guys are letting go before i even make it to the line of scrimmage. there's no such thing as a hole to run through in madden now. none of these "new" changes that you guys are raving about say anything about fixing this. so what CAN we actually expect from madden 10? im willing to bet that it's the same old crap as always. great.. the quarterback dropback got slowed down so sacks will be even easier to come by. thanks guys. you want to make an improvement? fix the AI. incorporate multiplayer blocks. don't just add double teams. maybe let the defensive lineman eat grass once and a while. make it.. how do you say?.. realistic.

  • ATL_BOY_95 said April 19, 2009

    more cleats lik nike vapor jet 4.2,back plates and qb jackets should be addedlong and short towels should be a choice when you are making a player,you should hav an option to play in first or third person in superstar mode,bring lofts, apartment,and mansion back in superstar mode, you should be able to get a tattoo, change your hairstyle, pick what jersey you wear, and change your jersey number in superstar mode, you should be able to make your own touchdown celebration,yuo should make pickin a face and hairstyle in create a player two different choices, if you want dreads you should be able to pick if you want your dreads to be shot or long and have the coice to wear it loose like Marion Barber or loose like Al Harris with some hanging over his shoulders to the front and the rest at the back, or tied like Larry Fitzgerald. You should have the coice to make the cwhite part of the socks longer or shorter lik most players. you should be able to adjust the size of the ankle wrap(if you want it heigher or lower)

  • slydelvecio said April 19, 2009

    loyshon why would EA ever take a year off of Madden when they can make money on it, that is just stupid. Everyone on here who posts, no matter what they say, are gonna end up buying Madden again and again. So, anyone who is a true fan is gonna continue buying the game hoping that it is improved, which it will be very soon I feel, and I would say anyone who posts something about how the game could b fixed is a fan. Just an FYI i'm not trying to start an arguement just saying that EA would never discontinue Madden for a year, that would lose a lot of money and dissappoint a lot of people.

  • Musaeus said April 23, 2009

    In Madden 05 the defense ALWAYS knew what play I called and the only way for a counter play to work was if I moved my FB to the other side to make their defense shift, then hike the ball as the FB ran back but BEFORE their defense could readjust.  

    I like this adaptive AI.  However, I fear that not only does it reward bad play calling and lack of strategy, but also it will make it sometimes impossible to hit that critical out pattern on 3rd and 10, while the real life players will hit it no problem....because they practice it.  Every football offense (not just NFL) has bread-and-butter plays that always work when they need them (barring a mismatch, a better defense, etc.) and Madden should reflect this.  

    Adaptive AI will make the opposing team and players more human like, but they need to be able to err like humans too.  Another concern I have is that trying to "set up" a defense to fall for a fake or a counter etc. will only work if I gain enough yards on the set up plays.  For example:  run 3 HB dive plays over 2 series, averaging 3 yds per carry.  Try to run a counter from the same formation should cause the defense to cheat to the middle, creating a better chance to gain yards on that counter.  

    Summary:  I like the technology, but I am worried about its implementation.  You describe it as being a form of handicap.  Try to use it to make the opposition football-intelligent in a human way (thus avoiding the omniscient computer defense).

    I expect this to be customizable on a slider like game speed, etc.

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    PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Qp33zy said April 24, 2009

    So Mr Ian, I'm glad your finally listening to the audience and my only question is will all of these changes that you've guys made will follow up for the current gen (ps2) as well? Like the major issues as far as for the suction magnet, Wr/Db interaction & speed, DL/OL interaction, man/zone coverage and so on. There's still numerous amount of ppl that still enjoy the gameplay for current gen and would like to have those changes as well and im one of them so lets not forget about the current gen. You would be surprise on how many money games are still left on current gen.

  • denverbro89 said April 24, 2009

    This idea sounds ok, but now it seems as though the CPU has the upper hand once again. I like to play on the hardest difficulty to make the game more fun, and at times the game's perception of difficulty is creating predetermined mistakes, like throwing an interception on a flat or out route allowing the defender to walk into the endzone. A fumble because the highlight stick was used to many times according to the game's CPU system. Madden 02 was a good game because it seemed like everything happened as the game went along, and nothing changed because I called a play too many times or juked too many times. I could play my Uncle who was really good and the game would be low scoring, that's almost unheard of in the newer Madden games, because the game is scripted in the new Madden games, guys gets speed boosts when the ball is en route and this works in both ways, receiver gets jolt of speed and now off to the races, or the cornerback cuts the route and tske one back 75 yards.

  • denverbro89 said April 24, 2009

    This idea sounds ok, but now it seems as though the CPU has the upper hand once again. I like to play on the hardest difficulty to make the game more fun, and at times the game's perception of difficulty is creating predetermined mistakes, like throwing an interception on a flat or out route allowing the defender to walk into the endzone. A fumble because the highlight stick was used to many times according to the game's CPU system. Madden 02 was a good game because it seemed like everything happened as the game went along, and nothing changed because I called a play too many times or juked too many times. I could play my Uncle who was really good and the game would be low scoring, that's almost unheard of in the newer Madden games, because the game is scripted in the new Madden games, guys gets speed boosts when the ball is en route and this works in both ways, receiver gets jolt of speed and now off to the races, or the cornerback cuts the route and takes one back 75 yards. Players make mistakes and so should CPU and those mistakes should not be predetermined.

  • denverbro89 said April 25, 2009

    The running game and the line of scrimmage should be scrapped and revamped completely. That where I lost lover for madden 09, the only run play that consistently worked was the FB dive. Stretch runs worked rarely and defenders seemed to shed blocks very quickly and make a play in the back field. I have to control my O lineman so that I make sure I block the right defender. Ball carrier vision should slow the game down when running through the tackles. I never feel comfortable running it up the middle, I cut one way and get smacked by a defender, when I could of ran forward and picked up positive yards, but because of a unpredictable lineman I never know when a defender is going to get picked up.

  • dracula--6 said April 27, 2009

    why is it that the corner backs always know my routes better than my recievers and my recievers never jump in the air for a jump ball, i mean are there feet anchored to the ground or what.

    THIS IS THE BIGGEST FLAW IN EVERY MADDEN GAME MADE....

    WHEN MY LINEMAN IS ABOUT TO SACK THE QB AND I SWITCH TO HIM TO MAKE IT HAPPEN AND HE QB THROWS THE BALL THEY GIVE ME THE CORNER AND BECAUSE I'M ALREADY PUSHING THE BUTTONS TO GET THE QB I END UP TAKING THE CORNER OFF THE RECIEVER AND THEY GET AN EASY TD.

  • dracula--6 said April 27, 2009

    1. GIVE me the option tell my running back to block a certain player, for example, if i see that your bringing your nickelback on a blitz than let me tell my rb to block that specific player.

    2. another example, terrel owens can beat anybody 1 on 1 so dont let a teams worst corner be all over him.

    3. when playing zone defense, let the guy covering that zone pick up the reciever when he enters the zone instead of once he has the ball in his hands, i wanna stop the play before it happens not after.

    4. it would be bad ass if i could play with oldschool teams online with the actuall players on that team instead of #44 is the running back on the 93 cowboys when it should be emmitt smith or at the very least #22 and that doesnt mean they should be absolutley flawless. i wanna play with gale sayers or the purple people eaters

    5. i hate when people run the same play with no huddle all the way down the field and i know what there gunna do but i cant seem to stop the damn play no matter what D  i call

    6.i forget wich madden did this but in the begining of a game show some stats of the players playing such as avg pass yrd a game rush yds, turnovers defensive stats the same way they introduce the starters at the bottom of the screen

    i'm making these suggestions for online play cuz i dont play vs the computer at all

  • IrwinRFletcher said June 03, 2009

          1.   I think we should be able to choose what we are asking to be reviewed on a challenge.  Twice       today i tried to challenge once that he caught it out of bounds and once that the ball hit the     ground before he caught it but both times it just showed replays of the tackle and the spot of the ball.

    2.The receivers should not run straight out of bounds when they run their routes they need to stop and turn back towards the qb or upfield instead of going right out of bounds as they catch it, I know sometimes that happens but if you ever try the screen to the HB every time they have one foot out of bounds already.

    3.Linebackers DO NOT HAVE A 10 FOOT VERTICLE JUMP.  Please stop these ridiculous ints from happening.

    4.I have still not seen a single kick blocked in madden 09, take that back I have seen 1 punt blocked from the one yard line but other than that, nothing.  I'm not saying make it easy to block a kick just make it possible.

    5.Fix the clock so it is more realistic.  People online  play so slow that many times I get the ball for the first time with 2 minutes to go in the first half which means if it were real they just ran a 28 minute drive.  It is not only boring but it is stupid to be able to do that.

    6.The announcers say the same thing over and over and over if we cant get more sayings at least let us adjust the volume of these guys so I can just turn them off.

  • Inside EA said July 06, 2009

    Hey Madden fans! I am Larry Richart, one of the designers on the central gameplay team (we work on both

  • PatzRock said July 06, 2009

    I am amped up for this game! Thanks to all the engineers. I hope the referees get more attention, measuring first downs and such. Also momentum carrying certain players out of bounds kinda stinks too . And player updates would be nice too!

    Thanks again for the best sports game ever!

  • ManuNoB said July 29, 2009

    FINALLY I DONT HAVE TO PLAY IN ALL 20 DIFFICULTY AND USE THE BILLS TO LOOSE...

    AWESOME GAME !!!