Pat White's full Madden NFL 10 Ratings

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• VTownStunna said April 26, 2009

  Its just the 61 overall rating I think he is just  89 speed or 90 like vince young everything else is right

• kcarr716 said April 26, 2009

  I can't really say overall should be higher or lower but I am still saying his ratings look about right.  Probably the most dangerous weapon that a 61 overall has ever been in madden.

• raczilla said April 26, 2009

  Couple of quick thoughts about this before the debate continues...

  Seeing all of the back and forth about it yesterday with regards to the 61 OVR compelled me to post the whole set of ratings today.  If you're going to discuss it, it's important to have all of the information available. Remember that the ratings are stretched out this year and that a 61 OVR this year doesn't mean what it meant in the past.

  Also FYI, Pat White is at about the middle of the pack in terms of rookie QB OVRs.  There are 9 QBs with higher OVRs and 8 with lower OVRs.  I'm going to post a document with all of the rookie ratings later today so you can better compare him to all of the other QBs in the Draft.

  Of course no matter what Pat White is rated, if we've pegged him wrong that can quickly be changed in a future roster update if he starts lighting it up in the pre-season.

  Curious to see all of your thoughts now that you have all of the info.

• BBMerritt5 said April 26, 2009

  pat white is more accurate than 75, did anyone see the combine

• EliLiberty said April 26, 2009

  Honestly I think saying that Pat white is a C rated NFL quarterback is about right. With Miami he will most likely be running the wildcat, and his stats make him an elite quarterback for the wildcat formation. If used properly, Pat White can still be a very dangerous, and versatile, player in madden 10, even though his rating is a 61.

• NFLHITMAN said April 26, 2009

  Watch how everyone that uses the Dolphines will put him in over Pennington LOL. They put in Dennis Dixon instead of Big Ben last year precisely because of this stuff LOL.

• thomasengn9 said April 26, 2009

  his kick power should definitely be AT LEAST 13...lol jk ---- i really like the new ratings

• guitarjunkie1123 said April 26, 2009

  One of the things I think is important to keep in mind when giving Pat White his attributes; even though he has said he wants to play QB it's ultimately up to the dolphins on how to use him, and with his athleticism it isn't unrealistic to see him play some slot receiver, which it appears you addressed with his 74cth however, are we as madden players going to be able to plug him into our depth chart as WR? I only ask because in past iterations of both Madden and NCAA there have been restrictions on which "natural" positions could be put in at others, and frequently if you changed their positions their physical abilities would change drastically.

• Leyland said April 26, 2009

  Pat White is just as fast as Steve Slaton

• kornking said April 26, 2009

  Pat White is alot more accurate and i deffenetly think hes a 65-70 OVR

  i cant wait to see what the dophins do with him

• jellybean3454 said April 26, 2009

  his overall is still to low hos speed should be 88 his power should be 88 and his accuracy should be 82 at least he makes good throws

• BillTheMac said April 26, 2009

  Since, EA said they have a whole new philosophy on player ratings and that their changing it for Madden 10. How are we suppose to know what ratings are good or bad yet. I think EA should bring new info on player ratings this year. After we get a better under standing of how they're doing player ratings. We can have a better idea of what to change. Because, all that I really know is that EA is lowering ratings this year.

• raczilla said April 26, 2009

  BillTheMac,

  That's a very important thing to remember.  I think it's tough right now for everyone to digest exactly what all of the ratings mean because the are so different than in past years.

  Ultimately what matters is that Pat White plays in the game in a way that's identical to his real life strengths and weaknesses.  When Madden hits store shelves, I'm sure everyone will be looking to see if that's the case.

• A Hot Man Beast said April 26, 2009

  Raczilla and I talked about this on twitter. I am a HUGE Dolphins fan. I am going to use Pat White the same way I think Tony Sparano is going to use him. Wildcat Wildcat Wildcat. Raczilla made a great statement "I think people put too much into the OVRs. There are a handful of key attributes that matter for each position." Look at his speed attributes. He is fast! He is also elusive. That makes for a good runner. He isn't going to go right up the middle. But he could do a trick play outside. His throwing attribute aren't great but they are useable. He can fake around the outside, and with his great on the run throwing, throw it! He might not be great overall but if you can work him to the best of his abilities, he can be deadly.

• jellybean3454 said April 26, 2009

  somebody had sent me a request on ps3 but i didnt accept because i havent been on the game for a while and they had canceled the request, whoever sent it send it again so i can request and i apologize for not bein able to accept it

• Soyabk said April 26, 2009

  i would appreciate if you could increase his overall..

  there is no way he is a 61...and his acuracy is good too..

  did you guys ever see him play?

• mk1988 said April 26, 2009

  yo BBMerritt5 is absolutely right...Pat White is should be way more accurate then a 75. His combine performance itself should give him at least an 80-85.

• NFLHITMAN said April 26, 2009

  If Pat White is this good in certain areas than I hope that Seneca Wallace of the Seahawks is A LOT better than. Seneca has played WR and has returned some kicks while being Hasselbecks backup.

• jellybean3454 said April 26, 2009

  what ya'll need to add to madden 10 franchise is the rating they had on nfl head coach 09 and the rating they had on nfl head coach 09 were

  work ethic rating

  intangible rating

  potential rating

  athletic rating

  production rating

  size rating

  learning plays rating

  durability rating

  Then have personality rating such as

  driven rating

  loyal rating

  realistic rating

  consisitent rating

  dependable rating

  problem solver rating

  patient rating

  structured rating

  competitive rating

  efficient rating

  And ratings like that should be only on franchise so that way we know who we want on are team for franchise, and that'll help us know what player fits what were looking for in a player or the type on scheme we run, because we might run hard plays to learn so we might want players with a high rating of learning plays or if we run plays that are easy to run then the players learning rating really want matter

• xXxMaddenKilaxXx said April 26, 2009

  72 throwing accuracy?  WHAT THE HELL?  DID THEY EVEN WATCH HIM PLAY?

• EmJaySena said April 26, 2009

  Gotta admit, the fact that Pat White only has a 10 in "Power Moves" is probably going to keep me from buying Madden NFL 10. lmfao

  It's difficult to comment on White's ratings without seeing them in perspective. It will probably become easier later today when all the rookie ratings are posted. For now, though, everything looks spot on. I did notice this little tidbit: Pat White is only one point slower than Michael Crabtree in Madden NFL 10. That's huge.

• xXxMaddenKilaxXx said April 26, 2009

  the worst qb in madden 09 is 62 overall.  SCREW YOU EA!!!!

• sexyvito93 said April 26, 2009

  pat white is a tank  you need to make him at least 72+ overall. and at least 90+ speed.

• WAVEDAMP said April 26, 2009

  Iknow that pat white is a running talent and is a michael vick type player, but he is also alot more. hes not one dimensional like other running stle quarterbacks. if you brake down his film you will see he has many of the necessary intangibles and tools for being an nfl Quarterback. to give him a rating of 62 is f****** outrageous and i am appalled and if i was white i would really be upset with EA. whoever decided on his rating should hit me back and explain themselves.

• MadScientist06 said April 26, 2009

  Sup everybody.

  Hey, thanks RAC for allowing us fans to discuss the issue!

  Been some heated discussion about some of the rookie ratings in Madden 10. I think Donnie Moore did an outstanding job, very high accuracy, but there are a couple I have some issue with...PAT WHITE in particular.

  Let me break it down.

  I have a soft spot for mobile QBs. I also think Madden ratings should be arrived at systematically--at least some, like SPD, should be based entirely on 40 times...then, you add route running, awareness, and agility to bridge the difference between a player who is 40 track fast and one that is game speed fast.

  THE CASE OF PAT WHITE

  I have a major issue with PWhite having 72 THA. If Madden 10 plays like NCAA 10, then 72 THA will make him utterly useless. You might as well put in a RB or CB as QB.  You might as well not have PWhite on your roster. He will throw incomplete passes and off-target passes the majority of the time. Too much a liability.

  If you look at PROGRESSION...THA normally goes up between 1-3 points per year for QBs who get action on the field. It will take PWhite about 4-5 years to get him to a decent THA.

  No other rating really matters. If a QB can NOT throw...he is not a QB. You can run around on first and second down, but on third, you HAVE TO PASS THE ROCK.

  PWhite has 87 SPD. That's okay. I can live with that granted EA is scaling down SPD and we really don't understand it all...but PWhite was a BEAST in NCAA 08--the fastest QB in the game, at 92 SPD. PWhite has VY SPD...I agree.

  I am a firm believer that SPD is SPD is SPD. You got it--you keep it. You are fast in HS, college, and the Pros. SPD is constant. Move from RB to FB...you keep it. Move from TE to RE...you keep it! Move from CB to SS or FS...holy crap...you keep it? Why would you lose SPD? You may lose AWR or zone or man coverage moving from CB to SS or FS, but not SPD!

  Let's look at PWhite's last year in college (2008) and compare it to M. Stafford:

  Pat WHITE

  180 Completions

  274 Attempts

  1,844 Yards

  65.7 Completion Rate

  21 TDs

  7 INTs

  16 Sacks

  QB Rating 142.41

  Matt STAFFORD

  235 Completions

  383 Attempts

  3,549 Yards

  61.4 Completion Rate

  25 TDs

  10 INTs

  17 Sacks

  QB Rating 153.54

  WHAT DEFINES QB ACCURACY?

  Under normal circumstances, you would think pass completion rate is a key indicator of QB acuracy (THA).  What else would be, except TD/INT ratio...right?

  The stats show although PWhite did not have the chance to throw as many passes as Stafford, he threw just as many TDs. So, with about 100 less attempts, he has almost the same number of TDs. PWhite's completion rate is higher than Staffords. If we were able to equal things out...give PWhite another 100 throws, for example,...he would chuck almost 12 more TDs and that is a conservative number.

  Clearly, the difference (which is not all that great) here does not justify a 72THA for PWhite. There is no evidence that would support a 72THA...none. If there is, please point it out.

  What does Mike Mayok say about PWhite?

  I paraphrase:

  Pat White can make all the QB throws. He out performed ALL the QBs at the combine, even Stafford.

  PWhite is an accurate quarterback. The evidence shows this. Mobile QBs traditionally have not gotten much love from EA in the past except for one or two.

  OVR is not really the issue here. Pat White's low OVR is a reflection of a low THA--It's THA that's the issue.

• swillz13 said April 26, 2009

  okay pat white had one of the best arms in the combine he threw the best he sould have like 93 thp and 83 acc and 91 speed wow comeon guys. did u guys even watch the combine?? and also 45 awr wow it should be like 80 or something.

• houtz said April 26, 2009

  I'm a hardcore Dolphins fan so let me throw that out there.

  What I believe people see is the 61 overall and think Pat White is going to be similar to John Beck with speed.  Take a harder look at the ratings and everything looks pretty accurate.  Like most, I agree that his accuracy should be a bit higher but all in all it looks like you guys have done a great job.

  Now let's see some footage of him running the wildcat ;)

• swillz13 said April 26, 2009

  u guys should actually do what allpro 2k8 did and just give special abilities instead of ratings cause clearly u guys don't know how to rate players.

• Fyrwulf said April 26, 2009

  AWR: 45

  That is BS. The kid did nothing but dissect defenses while on the move his entire college career. You can't do that if your rating fails. If he isn't at least a 60 awareness it's a travesty.

• xXxMaddenKilaxXx said April 26, 2009

  I plan on using Pat White for a lot of playaction passing, and scrammbling with throws on the run.  While I love his throw on the run rating.  His accuracy does not do him justice at all.  I'm tired of every black QB in the game being given the same ratings, with great power and horrible accuracy.  Pat White isn't that same breed.  He is smaller, faster, more agile version of David Garrard.

• swillz13 said April 26, 2009

  and also when i buy the game dallas better not be the best team in the game they didn't even make the playoffs and the are still the best team

• swillz13 said April 26, 2009

  i bet u if he was on dallas he would be better because i think they dude who does the ratings is a cowboys fan

• handlez360 said April 26, 2009

  Those ratings are great I cant believe they add up to a 61 overall though. Mayber give him 5 more points in the accuracy department. And yea why do you guys think that he should be a 45 awareness. He should atleast be a 73.

• A Hot Man Beast said April 26, 2009

  Did anybody read my post? Did you guys read any of the posts before my posts? Did you guys read any of EA's posts. The ratings are completely different. They are stretched out and new ratings have been added. I agree that his accuracy isn't good but w/e. I also think his awareness is trash. BUT it has been said before that the ratings have been stretched ot. YOU people don't know what is good or not in Madden 10. You haven't played Madden 10 before... Plus you can run him to his strengths no matter what his OVR is. Just remember that.

• WAVEDAMP said April 26, 2009

  i hope EA plans on changing that rating to at least a 76 or this blog is going to continually get ripped on.

• xXxMaddenKilaxXx said April 26, 2009

  i agree with madscientist.  all the evidence shows that pat white is an accurate passer. EA got this completely wrong.

• swillz13 said April 26, 2009

  yeah what madden killa said all the black qb's in the game don't have good accuracy. david garrard is the only black qb with accuracy in the 90's

• Fyrwulf said April 26, 2009

  Beast:

  I know he's more accurate than Sanchez, he demonstrated it in college and in the combine. I can't think of any time when White was caught unawares. The 45 awareness rating is a piss poor attempt at projection. These ratings should be on a percentile scale and rely on hard data, instead of this personal feelings crap.

• kornking said April 26, 2009

  Pat White

  OVR 74

  THA 82

  TAS 82

  TAM 79

  TAD 74

  AWR 69

• Silky ODowd said April 26, 2009

  It's hard to belive that Wells is so much faster then Knowshon I would of thought that it would be the other way around...Wells is a big run you over you guy and Knowshon is more of a run by you guy.. 86 speed for a guy that is that quick??? There are LB's that have that kind  of speed grade ... 89 is more like it...

• Bo4345 said April 26, 2009

  Shouldn't pat have higher than 40 return? The dolphins are gonna use him in the return game

• wvuphil89 said April 26, 2009

  His awareness is absurdly low.  For a QB in college with a completion rating over 70% and an incredible pass to pick ratio to have that low of an awareness rating is insulting.  It should at least be 72 or so.  

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• beware_of_dware9 said April 26, 2009

  He should be a tad faster, because anyone can tell you he is faster than Vince Young. And his Throw accuracy should at least be 75-76, not a 72. But I really agree with the Spin, juke, agility, elusiveness. Keep up the good work.

  P.S. Could you release Graham Harrel's ratings too. Thanks!!!

• Drifterbub said April 26, 2009

  THP should be a bit higher, maybe 88 (He did play professional baseball). Also, he's going to be a weapon in the wildcat, as a slot guy and/or a kick returner.  With that being said, I think his stats should be adjusted to be able to do these things.  

• Jazz Trance said April 26, 2009

  I agree...45 AWR is really low. I'm thinking something along the lines of mid 60s

• deathstalk said April 26, 2009

  little off topic but in superstar if ur a captain allow us to suggest to the coach areas to improve in the draft or free agency because captains do play a part in the draft also i hate it when im a quarterback and the o-line is terrible but they draft a running back or a defensive tackle. thanks

  pat white has a better accuracy than 72 at least an 80. watch the game film or the combine.

• QUiiCkN3zZ said April 26, 2009

  wow people needs to give pat white some credit 4 his arm just look at the last game against north carolina

• grizly37@gmail.com said April 26, 2009

  I think these ratings are fair for the most part. Def could do with maybe 1 or 2 points more of arm strength.

• Jon23781 said April 26, 2009

  *** Please read and tell me what you think ***

  raczilla, I really hope you read this. I know it is probably too late for '10 but I think ratings should be based on the system you run. For instance, a power running system should show Pat White as a 61 Overall and a wildcat system maybe a 75.

  I love the rating system change and additions to determining the success of the players, that has been a long time coming, so kudos to EA.

  I think making the rating fluctuate efficiently with systems they are placed in will make people more conscious about there free agent pick-ups, their coaching changes, their draft choices, and even allow someone to possibly trade a Pat White out of a power running system and into a wildcat system for more then what they would get going the other way. This somewhat falls under what Jellybean said about Head Coach, I coached Denver and brought in Brady Quinn and his ratings and success did great in my system.

  And please fix the Coaching changes, I thought that was a GREAT addition back in it's birth but since it has become less then what it was. Retired players coaching? And how do you sort through the available coaches anymore? And when relocating it would be nice to maintain the look, logo, name of the team. I wanted to move the Raiders back to LA but can't for obvious nickname reasons.

  Thanks

• Dessalines said April 26, 2009

  Yeah, his awareness rating is a joke. How do you think he was able to escape from the pocket all those times? His throwing power should be higher. Look at his record

• Sagetology said April 26, 2009

  His THP should be between 87-89, his THA is definitely better than 72, it should be more like 77-80 and his AWR is far too low, he should be in the 60's.

• guitarjunkie1123 said April 26, 2009

  I think Pat White acutely brings into light the question facing EA ratings gurus. Do you rate a player based solely upon their physical attributes and risk having a player in the game who's capacity doesn't translate directly to the NFL real game and simultaneously unbalancing the game, or are they obligated to provide the closest simulation to the expected production of each player in the NFL in that year?

• screech23 said April 26, 2009

  pat white

  OVR 77

  THA 83

  TAS 84

  TAM 80

  TAD 76

  AWR 73

• BillTheMac said April 26, 2009

  Raczilla,

  I agree with you. Yes, It is good to get our comments out about player ratings and what we think should be changed if needed. Though, I do think it would help if EA talked a little more about how ratings are coming into play in this years Madden. Since, it will be different. On the other hand.. EA could just increase or decrease ratings based on our thoughts and work it in with their new rating philosophy to make it accurate. So, maybe us as a consumer dont really need to under stand how the player ratings will work this year. As long as it is accurate in the game when it comes out.

  Its kind of a conflicting subject but, if its accurate and works. I'll be happy with that.

• FUDGE 101 said April 26, 2009

  I might just not understand the ratings exactly. I understand rating players drafted higher should have higher ratings based on NFL scouts obviously thinking they are better, however it is important to also compare all the players in the same positions.

  For example you have Stafford rated in mid 80s on each of the THA ratings. Pat white had a higher completion percentage than Stafford, so wouldn't that justify at least similar accuracy ratings?

  I don't think Pat should be rated extremely high because as many have said he is unproven as a wide out and his skills aren't honed in yet for the pros but with time who knows.

  If you guys plan on updating the rosters more thoroughly than in the past online, than I think his stats are a great start as long as it is open to his improvement or decline throughout the season.

  On another note Raczilla,

  I am currently a student at UCF and play a good bit of madden along with my roomates. If you guys ever need locals to help test or add input into the game I am sure my roomates and myself would be happy to help :-D.  You guys are over in Maitland aren't you?

• KingMari912 said April 26, 2009

  Pat White is a more accurate thrower on the run and in the pocket then the other QB's so what does EA just listen to Mell and McShay what about the hidden gems in the draft he is one diamond in the rough and if you don't change the ratings i hope his potential is high

• demir_dakid said April 26, 2009

  MAN YALL JUST WANT HIM TO BE RATED HIGH SO U CAN RUN AROUND LIKE VICK ON MADDEN IN 03... YALL PLAY REAL FOOTBALL AND STOP COMPLAINING

• Sgt Sparrowhawk said April 26, 2009

  can you not just see pat white logging in a posting a load of comments asking for him to be boosted now...

• Sgt Sparrowhawk said April 26, 2009

  pat white is right to have low awareness. he makes some shocking discisions. but watching the films he has pretty decent ball carrier vision

• A Hot Man Beast said April 26, 2009

  ROFL @ Sgt Sparrowhawk. Hahaahaa that's pretty funny

• Eks Boks Live said April 26, 2009

  this is a not cool rating.  61?  seriously.. thats insulting for a qb who has done so much with what he has.  he is a very mobile qb and there will be the vick factor, but thats sports, some people have different talents than others.  we should embrace the diversity.  thank you.

• OwningIsWhatIdo said April 26, 2009

  Pat White's 40 was a little bit faster than Vince Young's at the Combine, so his speed should be at least equal with his. The scouts at the combine say he outshined the group he was in throwing the ball. (Mark Sanchez was part of that group) So his speed needs to move up a little bit and his accuaracy. Low awareness is understandable coming from his college system to a pro system. But if that's what the overall comes out to, then that's what he is, you can't just boost the overall cause it didn't add up to a 70.

• Nyrgnew said April 26, 2009

  His speed and accuracy should be higher. Maybe around an 80 for accuracy and a point or two higher in speed.

  Aside from that I'd say it's fine.

• amirbknyc@gmail.com said April 26, 2009

  How is Pat White a 61 overall?  He should be about 80 or 83 overall..  he has great speed, you should have him at 96, great moves, and at the combine he had a great arm.  most anyalysts said that's what saved him from being a 7th round pick.  He has an arm and accuracy.  HHis overall should be around 80-83.

• livinadream said April 26, 2009

  demir_dakid,

  Well said.  I agree.

• Sagetology said April 26, 2009

  I would also like to say that Matt Leinart's 63 overall is 8-10 too low. He had a QB rating of over 80.0 in the 2008 NFL season.

• Vegas_King702 said April 26, 2009

  I think for his QB ratings should be (80 THA) (85 THP) (82 THAM) (83 THAS)(73 THAD)

  (90 THRUN) (45 PLACT)

• Black Mamba205 said April 26, 2009

  Ok so does anyone know how fast Vince Young even is in this game next year? Maybe his speed was decreased. dunno yet. but anywho I like Pat White. Honestly I wanted my Lions to draft Curry and grab Pat White later in the draft. I think what EA did was listen to what most scouts and most experts said about him, he won't be a QB in the NFL. Most fans disagree with this as do I. Also why is everyone just talking about the general throow accuracy rating? The parts that people should be challenging are what part of his accuracy makes it low. Should it be his deep middle or short that should be raised. Right now it pretty much says he cannot not throw deep accurately. I disagree with that but first I would like to see what QBs are rated higher and lower than him in this class and by how much. But hoenstly no college player should really have a high awareness rating directly out of college. Maybe after a few times on the field and a couple roster updates it should be raised but for now he and the other players will have lower awareness than those who have been in the league.

• All-Madden4125 said April 26, 2009

  Pat White's Throwing Accuracy is at least 80-85

• amirbknyc@gmail.com said April 26, 2009

  I don't need Pat White.  I'm a pocket passer, I like to pass in the pocket and play real football.  I'm just saying give him some respect, he isn't a 61 overall.  I don't like Madden players who run around 15 yards in the backfield elude a couple lineman then throw the ball up and it's a catch.  but Pat White deserves more than an 61 overall.

• MegaBearsFan said April 26, 2009

  why are you asking us? you guys are the ones who are completely reworking and balancing the ratings system.  we dont even know how an average qb will perform, so we have nothing to compare his ratings to.  People who are saying his ratings are too low are probable people who don't realize that the ratings are being reworked.  Personally, I think 65 should by the rating for an avearge QB, not 70-75

• BuNcH219 said April 26, 2009

  well, seeing as how he got picked by Miami, the wildcat should be very interesting now.

• clwalton21 said April 26, 2009

  i agree with the ratings because rookie player ratings should be watered down for 2 very important reasons.first,players were really great in college but it doesnt always work out in the NFL...say he meets the steelers defense,he would probably get killed!A player can be overwhelmed by a higher level of play.second,all players have a potential rating now!!!players can dratically improve over a short period of time.If his ratings are too high then,every player will be like peyton manning and we dont want that again.thx

• TROJANHORSE 61 said April 26, 2009

  I believe that Pat White should be at least a in the low 70s overall and more like a 90 speed agility like a 94

• TROJANHORSE 61 said April 26, 2009

  Put the wild cat formation in the game

  Go Fish!!!

• wolfey4 said April 26, 2009

  i think you gotta put something in the game that gives players different ratings....

  EX.

  Pat White lining up as a traditional QB he may be 61 OVR and peyton manning is 99

  but pat white in wild-cat is a 92 OVR and manning is a 15 OVR lol

  so you need to put in situational ratings i think, brandon jacobs from a goal line formation would be a 98, and reggie bush would be a 70... so i think based on formationas and situations and offensive/defensive schemes should make players better or worse depending on the formation

• joeyvowels@gmail.com said April 26, 2009

  What will his rating be as a WR? When he was drafted they has QB/WR next to his name.

  He should be better than a 61 OVR QB. I think a low 70s rating is more accurate.

  I completely agree with the guy that said it would be awesome if hsi rating would change if he is in the wildcat.

• ZR91193 said April 26, 2009

  he should be a lot higher, he's gonna be such an x-factor this year with Miami. It will be so much harder for any defence to stop the "wildfin"  this year now. He need to be rated much higher....at least mid to late 70s if not 80 something.

• ZR91193 said April 26, 2009

  he should be a lot higher, he's gonna be such an x-factor this year with Miami. It will be so much harder for any defence to stop the "wildfin"  this year now. He need to be rated much higher....at least mid to late 70s if not 80 something.

• FUDGE 101 said April 26, 2009

  www.nfl.com/videos

  NFL Network's analysis of Pat White.

• PATFINEST54 said April 26, 2009

  he way faster than vince young 91 speed at least

• jused said April 26, 2009

  first of all he is way faster than vince young.  second, he can throw the ball a long ways.  his throw power should be around 90.  before this past season i would agree that he is an upproven passer.  but if you watched any of his games this year, he threw the ball a lot better and showed serious skills as a quarterback.

• Dessalines said April 26, 2009

  Why is his catching ability at 74. He hasn't played wide receivers in years! His catching ability should be lower.  His throwing accuracy should be higher.  He was going to be drafted as a baseball player. I think his throwing accuracy should be 75. His catching ability should be lower. I think you should swapped his catching with his awareness. Honestly, can he catch a football.

• xXxMaddenKilaxXx said April 26, 2009

  45 awareness is a slap in the face.

• Kinetic02 said April 26, 2009

  I agree the 45 awareness seems a bit low. The only other thing that I would say looks low is his pot of 83. Pat White has a very high potential, being arguably the most athletic player in the draft, but the question is can he reach the potential.

  The other thing with Pat White is, I would hate to see everyone using the Dolphins this year just because White becomes a kind of gimmick in the game, much like Seneca Wallace, Vince Young and Jamarcus Russell were this year. None of these quarterbacks have shown that they are top NFL QBs, but they are terrors to play against online due to athleticism. Hopefully a lot of this has been fixed by the team so it won't be a problem, but be wary of turning White into a Madden Star if he can't get it done on the field.

  PS.

  and this is coming from a huge Dolphins fan

• Jmac640 said April 26, 2009

  Wow! The accuracy is killing me. Before I never thought Pat was much of a passer but he has proven he can be a dynamic QB. He should have about 80 accuracy. I do realize that the stats are toned down but is 72 justifiable? Mabye the throw accuracy is more percentage based, in that case I would agree. Also The man has got a cannon arm i'm not saying that it should be jacked up but a 2-3 point boost would be nice. And to everyone who wants to dog me I'm not going to use pat white in madden10 I'm an eagles fan and that is who I always use. It is possible I may do a fantasy draft and draft him as QB of the future but I would'nt use him as a scambler.

• mattywinny66 said April 27, 2009

  Good to see the ratings in full but look at whenever he threw the ball in college or at the combine he has at least and 80 accuracy on throw and he has a cannon of an arm at least 90 just rate him based on his ability to throw not other peoples opinions

• Dessalines said April 27, 2009

  I wasn't playing on using Pat White either. I just don't understand why his awareness is so low, and his catching ability is so high. Basically, EA is stating that he should be used a wide receiver; eventhough, no one is sure if he will make a good wide receiver. You are talking about toning down everyone's rating, but what has Pat White done to deserve a 74 catching? His catching should be lower, and his awareness should be higher. I am jumping off the throwing accuracy band wagon until I see Matt Stafford's, Mark Sanchez's ratings and the rest of the leagues.

• xXmEgAtrOnXxDK said April 27, 2009

  Guys, try creating him on Madden 2009 and see what his rating is. Most likely, this 2010 creates a dropoff, which is better because you really have the ability to use a guys to his abilities and not push it like last year, plus helps in franchise.

• Pass The Sticks said April 27, 2009

  75 THA is a joke. He should be in the mid 80's.

• twiztedjuggalo1 said April 27, 2009

  pat white needs to be re-weorked with the throw accuracy. c'mon he did pretty awesome in college, look at his numbers in a different post compared to matt stafford's! the stats are nearly identical w/ pat white having a better td:int ratio (3:1 as opposed to stafford's 2.5:1) and he had a higher completion percentage than stafford

  pat white also had a higher completion rate

  pat white was the key piece to the dolphins wild cat offense and no one will want to use him if he is constantly throwing the ball into the dirt....i say give him a fairly higher qb accuracy

• SonofJacob316 said April 27, 2009

  I agree with many of the post Pat white's Accuracy should be at least as in the same range of stafford in the 80's 83 or 84 throwing power should be in high 80's as well 86 or 87 and his speed should be 89 or 90- I mean he never was caught from behind- Chris Wells was caught from behind on various occasions and his speed is 89 so either give Pat more acceleration 94 or 95 or give him 90 or 91 speed. And his over all rating should be closer to 70- (67 68) or even 70- look at the tape!

• cjones205 said April 27, 2009

  So will Draft roster of scrambling QBs in NCAA football transfer with the same type ratings.  I would hate to see that there ratings end up being high 80s or 90s.

• MrSkagTrendy said April 27, 2009

  45 Awareness is a joke. He's electric in and out of the pocket, partly because he is SO aware of what's going on around him. His awareness should be higher simply because he's a mobile QB, and doesn't just have to think inside the pocket.

  He is WAY more accurate than that rating, and anythin below 70 OVR is just an insult to a great player. I haven't seen a college QB this hot since Michael Vick!

• cjones205 said April 27, 2009

  Pat White won all his Bowl games in college.  These stats do not so a player that was competitive in all his college games.  Toughness 85?  you got to be kidding me!  Seems like you follow the NFL on scrambling qb bias.   They can run but cannot throw accurately.  Cannot wait to see how you do TIM TEBOW hmmmm he won all his bowl games.

• JGibbs11 said April 27, 2009

  You would assume Pat White has done the following things to earn his 45 AWR rating:

  - Thought Ace Ventura was the OC and consulted him on how he should prepare for the playbook

  - Thought a dolphin was not a mammal

  - Scored worse than Vince Young on the Wonderlic

  - Tried to choose "threve" as his jersey number

  - Ran to the opposite endzone for a safety after taking a shotgun snap (he figured the wildcat allowed him to do that)

  - Wore a ref's hat instead of a helmet, thinking he could call the penalties instead (actually he had a 50 AWR rating before this... then he got a concussion after being sacked which dropped it to a 45)

  - On a sprint right option pass... he took off to the left because he thought it was his choice

  - Told Rich Rodriguez to go to Michigan because he thought he would bring him back some nifty souveniers to play with

  - Never knew West Virginia was located directly West of Virginia

  Just a few things that had to have happened... add your own

• MadScientist06 said April 27, 2009

  Tim Tebow will get mad love, of course. Pat White...no love.

  Pat White:

  "He's a playmaker. He can throw the ball. He's accurate..."

  -- Total Access - NFL Network

  Mike Mayock

  [White] is not a gimmick. He's one of the very special players. He said he'll probably say the same thing about Tim Tebow next year. He's the kind of kid you want with the ball in his hand: running, catching or throwing. Teams that like him only as QB would take him in the third round. Other teams that see added value as a Wildcat or return man, would take him in the second round. He said if he were a GM, he'd take White in the second round and use him as a Wildcat in the first year and then develop him as a full-time QB for his second year.

  Join new group on Twitter and let's lobby to get PWhite's ratings changed.

  www.twibes.com/.../FREE_PAT_WHITE

  Mad

• jshblessing said April 27, 2009

  I would like to start off by saying that I have seen almost every game Pat White has played in, in the last two years. I personally do not have a problem with any of the ratings he was given. His awareness is fine. If you look at rookie ratings, the average awareness on 09 is 50-60. With the way the ratings are adjusted this year i would say that the new average will probably be around 35-45, putting white in about the 60th percentile.(Also if you look the highest rookie awareness is 70) THA is fine too, i would say that his THA is slightly below average for an NFL quarterback his rating reflects that. And when mayock said he makes all the throws he was talking about arm strength.

  Someone made the point that he "dissected defenses". I think this has a lot more to do with the offense he ran in college and his running ability. Pat White often had one, maybe two reads on pass plays. If they weren't open he ran. Also when you have the threat of a running quarterback you pay less attention to receivers in coverage to compensate for the threat of an elusive quarterback. His throw on the run being as high as it is should also add enough to his game to make him effective as a passer. He has also never run an NFL style offense so he is going to have a lot to learn before he has the same success at the next level.

  My final point is that Sanchez and Stafford are rated 77 and 79 respectively. These are two players that are expected to have the opportunity to step in and help right away where as White is a developmental, system, project, etc. quarterback so it wouldn't make sense to have him be a 74 and almost just as good as the other two.

• Guillotine 1 said April 27, 2009

  The rating is too low. Put the tape on, watch his game film. HE IS ELECTRIC!

  Pat White can throw, he's smart with the football. He IS an accurate passer, and a playmaker.

  For a 4 yr starter (who got his team to 4 bowl games and won them all) to have a 45 AWR is just an insult in my opinion, and a throw ACC of 74 is just wrong. The young man completed 68% of his passes.

  I have watched virtually every game White played at WV, all he does is make big plays.

  If EA thinks they have a problem rating Pat White...wait until next year when Amanti Edwards comes out...omg...

• Guillotine 1 said April 27, 2009

  What I don't understand is...

  How can Pat White have a 74 CTH rating (which is higher than his ACC rating), and he didn't play any WR??? He didn't even run routes at the combine or his pro day. But he's all of a sudden a better pass catcher, than he is a QB???

  ...go fish.

• MadScientist06 said April 27, 2009

  I like what RAC said though. Some players, unfortunately, have to play their way out of poor ratings. So, if EA is wrong somehow, then it's all in PWhite's hands.

  One day, Dennis Dixon will start. Hopefully, the Steelers run some WildCat this season with Dennis D.

  I think PatWhite will show his stuff this season and cause EA to make an adjustment.

  We'll see.

• A Hot Man Beast said April 27, 2009

  To set myself apart from 99% of the people on this post, I DON'T CARE ABOUT HIS OVERALL RATING! I am one of the BIGGEST Dolphins fans ever. In every Madden I use the Dolphins, even with their 67 OVR rating in 08. I would love to say one thing before I start ranting about this.

  cjones205, you are a STUPID Gators fan. Tim Tebow has NOT won all of his bowl games, do you not remember 2 years ago? Michigan?... Bringing back memories? Go FSU!

  Ok, to start out, I like what people said about the OVR for different formations. But, it is only a number. The OVR rating is just a number that describes a player at his certain position. You still have the key attributes that make the player good in that situation. If you have a player with 99 trucking and break tackle, is he any different if his OVR reflects upon it? I was talking to raczilla yesterday about this. He said to use players to their strengths. He still has running in the high 80's mid 90's. So he is effective on the run. He has an average of 70 on his QB stats. Idk what you say, that means he CAN throw. Not like Peyton Manning but it CAN get to a receiver. Plus he has 74 Catching. So he CAN catch. Not like Larry Fitz but he CAN catch. Do you see what I am saying? He is the PERFECT weapon for the Wildcat.

  That leads me to my next point. The majority of the people here aren't even Dolphins fans. Why do you care? You must be cheesers. You want a guy who can do it all. Run fast and throw good. I personally disagree with his awareness and his accuracy. But you have to think that Donny Moore has a method to his madness. Everybody does. What would happen if he created the ultimate player? Not realistic.

  In addition to that statement, this is not his set rating for life. If Pat White does great in the preseason, Donny can update his stats. If he does good in the regular season, Donny can update his stats.

  Stats have been watered down this season for a reason. The Madden Dev's want to separate stars from the average joes. Do you honestly believe that Pat White should be rated highly just because of what he did in college? You have to remember that most players from college don't even make it in the NFL. There are busts, not saying that he is a bust, oh god please don't let him be a bust. He played against lower caliber players. 4,000 yards in the NFL!!! Is waaay different from 2,000 yards in college.

  Just some food for thought. Remember, they have to have a reason for their madness.

• videogamefreakcam@msn.com said April 27, 2009

  His awareness should at least be 60 I mean 45!!!

• videogamefreakcam@msn.com said April 27, 2009

  His awareness should at least be 60 I mean 45!!!

• Guillotine 1 said April 27, 2009

  Hot Man Beast-

    I'm not a Dolphins fan, I'm a FOOTBALL FAN, and no...I'm not a cheater as you inaccurately assumed everyone who wants a rating change to be.

  Your stereotyping Pat White as a Wildcat QB, in order to justify these lowly pass ratings...when the truth is...he's a very good passer. In fact, he out performed all the QB's at the combine, the senior bowl, and during pro day...not as a runner...but as a PASSER. Your basically saying EA should handicap his throwing ability because he can run well with the football??? Epic fail.

  I don't want to get into a spat...but, my response to you would be...

  Give White the PASSER ratings he deserves. He earned it on the field.

  Btw, if the Dolphins have half-a-brain...they'll groom him as a full-time pro QB. Which they have every intention of doing based on the reports I have been reading as recent as 4/26/09.

• Greece Monk E said April 27, 2009

  I love the rating

  1) This guy has never played in a NFL game so far

  2) If he proves he is better then the rating can always be changed via update.

  3) I think people are forgetting the ratings scale is a lot better this year separating the avg from the good to the great, t0 the ELITE

  IMO

  Below Avg would be 50 - 60

  Avg would be 60 - 70

  Good would be 70 - 80

  Great would be 80 - 90

  and Elite woulbe 90 and above

  So kudos to EA for the rating

• A Hot Man Beast said April 27, 2009

  That makes no sense in my opinion to try to turn him into a full time QB when they drafted Chad Henne to be their QB of the future. Soooooo they are MOST LIKELY going to use him as a wildcat player. That is the way I am going to use him because of his passer ratings.

  You say that he earned his passer rating on the field but all of the examples you listed were NOT on the field. Maybe the senior bowl. When ever I watch WVU games, he is inconsistent, then again, I haven't seen a game in a while.

  Yes, he does have a high completion rating, but he doesn't throw as much as other QB's. Do you want to know why? Because he can RUN!!!

  If he had great passing rating to go hand in hand with his running ratings, the game wouldn't even be fun.

  I am SORRY about categorizing you and the rest of the people on this post as cheaters. I can safely assume that some people are going to use the Dolphins online or trade to get him in Franchise mode. Maybe some of those people are going to use them because he is a good player but in my eyes, that is cheap. You should play with your team the way it is :/

• seb019 said April 27, 2009

  he needs to have at least 78 accuracy, this underates him, like most other people do. and maybe 90 speed, like vince young, or micheal vick was. will micheal vick be coming back in this years madden?

• A Hot Man Beast said April 27, 2009

  Seb019, He should have the same speed rating as Vince Young and/or Micheal Vick BUT because of the new ratings it will be lower. I remember reading that with the new ratings systems ratings will drop a few points. 91 speed is like 88 speed now and people aren't grasping that concept :p

• Guillotine 1 said April 27, 2009

  I agree Hot Man Beast...I use the Cowboys personnel only. I have two players to use as duel threat QB's. I. Stanback & P. Crayton both were college QB's. However, I don't plan on using the wildcat formation in Madden 10...even though Jerry Jones has stated multiple times publically that the Cowboys want to use it this year with felix jones.

  But, as far as P. White goes, its easy to see these ratings are very poor for such an accomplished player. But whatever....its cool...its not like its anything new. I'm use to this...

• Greece Monk E said April 27, 2009

  ....Vince young is probably not going to have a 90 speed rating in 10 and second i saw eli mannings ovr rating is 87 and you ppl want to make pat white a 77. And eli was 10th best qb in the game. and for you smart ppl who question where i saw the rating i have NFL network they had a madden 10 special give the top ten ratings at certain positions

• Jmac640 said April 27, 2009

  I agree with everyones comments but pat white has proven that he has what it takes to play in the nfl. The man has a cannon not like some guys but it's there. Look at some of his tape to see his passing abilities. He literally moves the WR when they catch the ball. His accuracy is a little off in my opinion. I think a 75 would be nice. Yep I realize every thing is toned down. His potential is 83 so his skills will grow rapidlly. To everyone out there playing online don't use him in madden10 he won't work out very well as QB. This guy is best for your franchises. Giv him 3 yrs. and he could be top 10 in QBs. I know how the people in 09 are. Their concept is speed, speed, speed! You're not the raiders use skill not speed to win. I like how the developers have made speed not much of a factor anymore. In the nfl you see Brandon Jacobs running for 70 yarders not much but it happens. KUDOS to the madden developers this year. I hope this madden will be worth the $60 i'm planning to put up.

• A Hot Man Beast said April 27, 2009

  I mean I see where you are getting at Guillotine, I really do. I don't play online so this doesn't affect me. There are cheesers out there and they are GAY. As soon as they make Pat White elite, those same guys who used the Patriots are going to switch to the Dolphins and Wildcat it up. As I said before, I don't play online, I play franchise. The Overall rating doesn't affect me because look at his potential (83). That is a pretty darn good potential rating. In 3-4 years w/o training, his stats will be great. Imagine with training! Plus Donny Moore is going to update the stats. I DO disagree with his awareness and accuracy ratings though. BUT I also have not played the game so I do not know what ratings are good or not. For all you know, 73 could be like 83 in Madden 09. Either way, with 72 accuracy, he CAN make throws. I, personally, am not going to play him in my franchise until he has gotten better. Which is like 3 seasons. C'mon people, is it all about the instant gratification?

• tsousa said April 27, 2009

  well hears what i think.. pat white has shown he has the arm strength and pocket awareness to play nfl football i agree his accuracy is his weak point but i disagree with his speed rating. he is atleast a 90, if you watch his college highlights, plays when he doesnt feel like throwing it 60 yards to his reciever for a touchdown he takes it himself, where he runs down the feild out running and juking out all of the athletes on the feild, i believe he has great vision, speed and moves, thats what i think

• Guillotine 1 said April 27, 2009

  I completely agree Hot Man...

  Your right, the online cheese factor will be sick. Like you, I don't play online anymore. But I firmly believe my following statement...

  Donny is a smart dude, he's thought about this from several angles. I'm sure the game will be fun to play, and if some of the ratings are some what questionable we do have the ability to customize our individual experience. Rock on EA, rock on dudes...

  Izzy-

• A Hot Man Beast said April 27, 2009

  Well, now we are on the same page and I am happy. I also forgot that you can up his stats anyways in the roster mode lol. Stop complaining people, you can change him yourself!

• xXxMaddenKilaxXx said April 27, 2009

  hot man beast, you cant edit a player and then use him online, so whats the point?

• xXxMaddenKilaxXx said April 27, 2009

  hot man beast, this debate isnt for you if you dont play online.  

• xXxMaddenKilaxXx said April 27, 2009

  Of course Pat White will be hard to stop.  Thats why the Dolphins spent a 2nd round pick on him.  Giving him 45 awareness and 72 throwing accuracy is just EA's way of handicapping the game for people who cant stop explosive players.  

  I guarantee if New England took Pat White, he would be 80 overall.  

• A Hot Man Beast said April 27, 2009

  Kila, Pat White is Pat White..... He has the same ratings in Franchise and the same ratings online.... So yes, this argument is for me. If you do play online then you can just wait until the roster update. The fact that you play online and want Pat White's ratings boosted makes me believe that something is phishy hahaha. But for real, he is fine. Stop complaining! Donny rated him that way for a reason... So just get over it.

• A Hot Man Beast said April 27, 2009

  Also Kila, there is a difference between an explosive player and an UNSTOPPABLE player. If his stats were to be boosted, I honestly believe that he would be unstoppable. If he could make the majority of his throws and be as mobile as he is, it wouldn't be funny what you could do. Imagine if they added a play creator. OMFG, every play would be cheese lol. It wouldn't be called the Madden Bowl, it would be called the Fondoo Bowl. You just have to put things in perspective. He is "good" not "omfg bbq amazing". He just came out of the draft. He isn't THAT good.

• Jmic92 said April 27, 2009

  I sure watched the NFL Combine as well as WVU games over the last few years... and I know that Pat White's Throw Accuracy better than a 72. Just because he's not projected to be a great QB in the NFL doesn't mean that EA Sports should short-change what his track record has proven. I'm not saying he's the most accurate passer since Brady... I'm just saying that they should give the man his due. Pat White's Throw Accuracy is much better than advertised.

• Jmic92 said April 27, 2009

  ... just to add... I do agree with everything else as far as his ratings go... he should be a dang good player with the right training in Franchise Mode. Pat could be a very dangerous weapon.

• PlayAction said April 27, 2009

  i think we need to remember that Pat White was one of the best deep ball throwers in college football and had an extremely nice combine and pro-day..beck was just released and he will have to be the number two quarterback on the roster because miami has to keep him active in order to have him available to run what is going to be an awesome wildcat package..long story short Pat White is a Quarterback. Height is not an issue because he has an overhand throwing motion like drew brees' that keeps the ball up and away from defensive lineman, He can make all the throws he needs to make. He will have a chance to learn the system in miami and don't be shocked if he beats out henne for the starting spot after pennington has to leave town.

• kiperisgod said April 27, 2009

  why cant anyone just accept the fact that pat white is not mike vick. he gives miami some bite to their already solid offense, period.

• ai199008 said April 27, 2009

  i only have a problem with his throw accuracy rating...he threw better than EVERY quarterback at the combine,remember that

• fgoode21 said April 27, 2009

  i think his speed is to low and his accuracy is also low too and he was thre best quarter in the combine

• KingMari912 said April 27, 2009

  Check this out it says it all really

  www.nfl.com/videos

• Ctifer said April 28, 2009

  What does awareness affect?  A 45 seems awful low. He's a very aware runner, but obviously the jury is out at his QB skills. So a lot depends on Awareness from what I see.

  Do you have some comparisons on other QB's speed?

• PlayAction said April 28, 2009

  I would urge you all to watch a little more tape of Pat White throwing the football. His throwing power maybe could be a point or two higher and certainy his accuracy should come up. He was one of the best deep ball and mid range throwers in football and his workouts at the combine and his pro-day were good as well

• PlayAction said April 28, 2009

  All of these conversion and hybrid type player got me thinking about this becase I missed it so much in Madden 2009.

  I'm not sure if this is in the game, but watching the draft really got me to thinking about player position changes. I will use Larry English who is now with San Diego as an example. He is listed as a Defensive End but he is going to be converting to a 3-4 Outside Linebacker. Will I be able to put him in this position on the game? I think it would be great to have the ability to change his postion to OLB and then have him develop in that slot, or at least be able to place him there on the depth chart. It would be nice to put players where you want them to play.

  This would be huge in Franchise Mode (during the draft especially). Say I see a player I think would make a good conversion from DE to OLB in the 3-4 and I draft that player. I should be able to change that players position to OLB and then have him develop in that slot. If I made a good choice the player gets better as the years go by and end up with a Terrell Suggs type guy, but if I make a wrong choice he ends up a sub-par player at best. Same goes for a player I might project as a safety instead of a corner and vice versa.

  If we can feel the pressure through the controller on QB pressure I'm sure we can put this into the framework. This is a very real part of football that would add even more realism to Madden.

• kiperisgod said April 28, 2009

  pat white played in the big east, the worst bcs conference, no one can argue with that. wvu should have ran the table his junior and senior years, they didnt come close. if pat white played in the sec he wouldnt have finished a season. florida, georgia, lsu, bama, scar, tenn, ole miss, auburn defenses are stout. syracuse, usf, louisville dont exactly scream team speed. i cant wait until tebow comes out so everyone can complain about his ratings or the following year when pryor comes out early.

• xKIDIcarusx said April 29, 2009

  I think pat white speed should be in the 90s. if you look at his highlights you will see that he leaves cornerbacks in the dirt. to be exact it should be at least 93 or 94

• trainerwaggs said April 29, 2009

  These ratings are just begging users to use Pat White as a wide receiver.

• Dessalines said April 30, 2009

  He hasn't played wide receiver since the seventh grade, but EA gives him a 74 in catching. He was going to be drafted as pitcher and outfielder before high school to Anahiem Angels, but his accuracy is only 72.

• sun305 said May 01, 2009

  everything looks about right except for the accuracy patt white proved himself at the senior bowl and he proved he can throw the ball with a good accuracy thats the only thing that got me mad becuase he doserves better than that and he has showed it i belive they should change that

• xMAKAVELIx said May 02, 2009

  Things look like crap.  Kenny Britt runs a 4.51 and every other drill faster than Hakeem Nicks and his 4.63 40 yd dash. Nicks has no tangibles that make him as fast or as quick as Britt. But you make nicks faster. The list goes on and on.

• ron9151 said May 02, 2009

  I think that the biggest issue is that in an equal playing field, Pat White demonstrated his skills at the NFL combine.  After watching the combine, I fully expected Pat White to be included in the higher rated quarterbacks.  Lets face it, NONE of the quarterbacks in this years draft have played a single NFL down.  All we have to go buy are college stats, NFL combine, Senior bowl (MVP), and the projections from the NFL experts.  

  For the most part, all we(I assume all Madden players) want is consistency.  I have viewed the stats for all of the rookie quarterbacks.  Taking into account the new rating system, I believe that Pat whites stats are a little low.  The main stats are Throwing Power and Accuracy.  NFL experts all agree that he throws the best deep ball among the current QB rookies. On the same note, I am wondering if his potential should be around 88.  I base that on coaching staff and what NFL experts say.  His low stats are not far fetched seeing as he will need some development.

  Now that the rating scale has changed, I think that he should be rated overall in the high 60's.  A joy for me playing in franchise mode is developing my players.  

  A suggestion to EA Sports:

  I know that the new rating scales have been put in place already but I have wanted this change to come for years (congrats on making that happen!).

  30 - 39 - sub par should not be in the league

  40 - 49 - Below average players but have a special skill (ex: very fast)

  50 - 59 - average player, ratings for role players and special teams

  60 - 69 - good players

  70 - 79 - Great players, impact player, average starters

  80 - 89 - Vastly superior players - players that are very good but not the greatest ever

  90 - 99 - elite player, cream of the crop/ hall of fame worthy

  I think EA is on the right track.  I will admit that for me, NFL2K was on the verge of making me put madden down.  Not because the game was better but because of the way players were rated.  In that (evil) game (smile) the players were rated almost the same with one exception.  a quarterback could be rated 99 overall without maxing out his stats.  An O-lineman could be a dominant run blocker and a good pass blocker, be ratted 99 overall without maxing out states.  I believe if EA sports took this approach, these kinds of things would not be an issue (Pat White's rating).  Think of it, a WR that is 99 overall because his skill set is that good but his speed is 86.  How great it would be to have players that are 99 overall but with different skill sets.  If this were the case, just because a player was rated high would not mean he is a player that would work in my offensive or defensive philosophy.  

  Anyway, thank you for taking the time to read this.  I will end by saying that if Pat White's stats are low, his potential should be high.  "Ron Jaworski, said White has as good fundamentals as any quarterback in this year’s draft" with that being said, I do not have a problem with him having a low start but the boom factor for him is extremely high.  for me, I take into account why drafted him, Bill Parcells.  He has a great record for recognizing NFL talent, his track record speaks for itself.  Chad Pennington is not a hall of fame player but he has the highest career completion rating of all time 66%, he is also 8th all time in Passer Rating.  I believe  the man knows his stuff and him picking Pat White says he thinks the man can play.  I chose Ron Jaworski's comments about Pat White because of all the experts, he looks at what is most important, the game film and workouts.  EA, if you are reading, take all of what we are saying into consideration.  Some of the people that play franchise mode are on year 2 or 3 before the first roster update ;-D

• sun305 said May 02, 2009

  patt white ratings were ok i thought madden creators knew more than that because patt showed he had very good accuracy 72 gives him no justice everything else waz good but everybody knows he a better quater back than people think i just wish they would change it and he at least deserves a 74 overall he is up there with most of the quater backs taken i cant wait to he proves himslef so they can change that

• vert56 said May 06, 2009

  Here are Mark Sanchez's completion percentages for his three years as a starter:

  2006--42.9%

  2007--60.5%

  2008--65.8%

  (source: ESPN.com)

  So, my question is: why is Pat White's throwing accuracy ratings so low (THA--72) when his college completion percentages are as follows:

  2005--57.0%

  2006--65.9%

  2007--66.7%

  2008--65.7%

  (source: ESPN.com)

  It makes me wonder what you guys are basing these stats on. Pat White seems like a guy that could play either QB or WR depending on who is sing him. His cmp is clearly on par with Sanchez's and Sanchez tops the ratings chart in what you guys show for rookie ratings. Are you guys basing the ratings you gave him on the fact that it said WR next to his name when the dolphins drafted him? That is an irresponsible way to go about assigning ratings if you ask me. Look at the stats!! They are compiled for a reason. I have often wondered what goes through the dev's minds in this area of the Madden franchise. Are you guys working with perceptions or statistics? The former is suspect, while the latter can be substantiated empirically.  

• 2447796 said May 06, 2009

  this is so stupid......pat white threw the football with better throwing power and accuracy than mark sanchez....and in colloge he out ran the whole d-fence...

  he should be faster than 87 speed; on 09 josh johnson was 88 speed....pat white should be more like 93 speed at least...

• seanhiggins123 said May 08, 2009

  i think his awr should be at least 50 if not higher

• crewscontrol12 said May 09, 2009

  k

• crewscontrol12 said May 09, 2009

  speed needs to be higher lot higher

• abc123fresh said May 10, 2009

  Thats ridiculous. One of the most accurate passer's in the draft he is only a 61 overall. Pat White has one of if not the best arm in the draft and he got screwed with the rating. He didn't even have a big name receiver to throw to and he still put in work. EA sports fix this.

• CrAzAnEsS said May 11, 2009

  He needs more accuracy. He's a pretty good quarterback, his accuracy should be 80

• retrokid06271995 said May 24, 2009

  Everybody no's that pat white was one of the most dangers and exciting people

  coming out of college this year.i think that pat white's RATINGS should be:

  OVR SPEED ACC STR AGI AWR CTH CAR THP THA

  73    90   92  55  93  61  75  77  89  53

  KPW KAC RBK PBK TAK JMP RET INJ STAM TGH

  10  12   30  30  36  88  55  96  96  97

  TRK ELUS BCV STIFF SPIN JUKE IBL RBS RBF PBS

  47  95   90   95    94   96   15  15  15 20

  These r what pat whites real ratings should be

  He was a lot of peoples favorite player

  so i think you should change his ratings not sayin u should make them really high just a 14% increase;because if fans of his see his rating;like me they will be disapponited

• finsfan79 said May 26, 2009

  Pat White had a 65% completion rate at West Virginia I think his accuracy should be a little higher than 75

• SupaSteve said May 29, 2009

  Pat White was one of the best QBs in college football running or passing.  His accuracy should be a lot higher than what you have him.  He was also one of the fastest QBs in college and I know he is faster than Vince Young who you have at 90 for speed in Madden 09.  

  I know he will only be a rookie, but I am tired of the NEGATIVE BIAS you developers have towards the MIAMI DOLPHINS on every Madden Football game that ever came out.  If Pat White was going to play for the Raiders, Cowboys, Broncos, or Redskins your development team would probably rate him in the high 70's.

  Another thing is that rookie CB Sean Smith from Utah is one of the faster CBs in the draft and you developers have his speed at 87 his speed should at least be at 91.  Also he is a big jumping CB not much of a big hitter.

  Please do your homework when it comes to draft day afterall you guys get paid to do this stuff.  I thought EA meant reality.        

• addison2 said June 08, 2009

  PAt white is definately under rated is too electrifying to be that poorly rated i think his rating should be somewhere around these:

  OVR SPEED ACC STR AGI AWR CTH CAR THP THA

  74    91   92  55  93  63  75  77  89  79

  KPW KAC RBK PBK TAK JMP RET INJ STAM TGH

  10  12   30  30  36  88  55  96  96  97

  TRK ELUS BCV STIFF SPIN JUKE IBL RBS RBF PBS

  47  95   90   95    94   96   15  15  15 20

• jaymadden360 said June 11, 2009

  Pat White Is awsome and you guys fucked his ratings up.

• JJSimania said June 20, 2009

  ok lets sum this up. pat white posted one of the fastest 40 times in combine history for a quarter back lets give him his due. his throwing power was said to be one off the strongest in the combine and lets go to accuracy would you not agree that its easier to stand still (pocket quarter back)and throw an accurate pass than throwing on the move. yet this guy (pat white) had a better pass percentile than stafford who is predominately a pocket passer. this speaks volumes for his ability to complete passes. and awareness 45? lets be for real. utterly dumb in the game is what your making him. if your picked in the second round of the draft by bill parcells your not dumb. he knows talent inside and out. but i agree though that no rookie qb should be rated high in this catagory. its a big jump from college to the nfl, but he deserves at least a respectable 60 awareness. rating break down. 79/80 overall( AWR 60, STR 56, speed 90, AGI 89,ACC 93, THP 89,THA 80,CAR 68, CTCH 73. Come on EA youve got to get this one right. you already trash the 2008 playoff dolphins rating enough.(lol) give those guys some love.

• montmont32 said July 06, 2009

  I think that who ever they got making the ratings is high off PCP. Pat White is way faster than a 87, he cant outrun nobody with that speed. Last year year even though chris johnson had the fastest tie for any runingback ever at the combine they still put his speed at 97. I bet that chris johnson rating still isnt even going to be atleast a 90 this season even though he broke 1000 yards and 5 yards per carry his rookie yer while splitting carries with lendale.

• montmont32 said July 06, 2009

  And patrick willis ran a 4.40 and his speed didnt make it over a ninty, thats why he gets somny tackles is because hes so fast. Maclins rating is 6 points higher and willis had a faster 40 yard dash.

• chasecharney said July 21, 2009

  So is EA going to change his ratings for release or are they going to be retarded about it?

• assassian gamer said July 24, 2009

  Come on Pat whit should be a 71 becaus he shoukld have a 91 speed 93 agility and 90 accel he was most accurate quaterback at combine why u think he was drafted  in the early 2 round he is better thaN STAFFORD IN ACCURACY HE HAS A LITTLE ABOVE AVERAGE THROWING POWWER  HIS CLUTCH HIS ONE ALL OF HIS BOWL GAMES IN HIS CAREER

• mubunyan32 said July 27, 2009

  Pat White won't start next year so why is everyone so ticked about his ratings? He is perfect for the wildcat with his current ratings. His yards per att was 67th in the nation at 6.7 and 7 of his 21 tds came against Villanova and Marshall.  He may start after chad is gone but he isn't going to until then. The only change is see needed is to lower his injury rating because he has been hurt many times the last 2 years.

• FinsUp said August 03, 2009

  I think he needs a much higher awareness. His maturity and game management should be reflected in that stat. He also should have a higher strength. He is deceptively strong. The best approach to his ratings should also be to reflect what someone else above said about him being pegged as a Wildcat specialist. Those stats should be set at a level that will make him extremely effective running the wildcat. As the season goes on it will be apparent whether or not his skills can transcend just the wildcat formation and his ratings can be adjusted up or down at that time based on what we see. Unfortunately, however, the whole Dolphins teams was shafted bigtime in Madden NFL 10. A 77 ??????? From an improved division champ? Come on guys...at least low to mid 80s would be in order. The defensive player ratings are terrible too. Jason Ferguson a 76? He's one of the better nose tackles in the league! Get it right this year guys and give the Fins at least a little respect. I think they deserve it.

• mubunyan32 said August 04, 2009

  You want a higher awareness and he hasn't played a single NFL down? He played in the Big East for crying out loud. Playing QB in college is so much different than in the NFL. 1/3 of his TD's last year came against a 1-AA team and Marshall, whose pass d was pathetic last year. And the Dolphins have the hardest schedule this year, by the way. Good luck.

• OriginalSlacker said August 15, 2009

  WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS GAMES RATING?

  Lee Evans a 85? Keith Ellison Bills Lb zero speed? Was it to hard for You guys to do some actual research? Ellison is a former Safety and runs about a 4.6!  

  My favorite all time is Trent Edwards 80 Arm Strength, guess you missed the 73 yard in the air against win Bomb to Lee Evans last year.  Marshawn Lynch runs like he has a bag of crap in his pants.   But yet the pats are rated a 90 plus team again. Even Terrell Owens got dumped on!  Typical Pathetic EA Ratings for all the none Elite teams