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Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 10: Live Tournaments

Posted On: May. 8, 2009 7:20 AM EST By: TibMikeD 24 Comments

Alright, I’ve been waiting all year to write this blog and I finally got the green light to do it.  Our NEW Live Tournament feature is one we have been hinting at on the forums for some time now.  We’ve been talking about what we were going to be doing “differently” with Daily Tournaments and this is it…and then some.  Since you’ve all been waiting patiently (some impatiently) to hear what this feature is all about, I am going to try and go into as much detail as possible for you.  I am currently on a plane out to Los Angeles where we will be unveiling this new Live Tournament s mode to the media.  My laptop is draining battery as I type this, so let’s get crackin’…

THE BASICS
In a nutshell our new Live Tournaments feature is going to let you play in a variety of tournament types against online gamers from all over the world.  We’ve taken the concept behind our existing Daily Tournaments and blown it out to create an entirely new mode revolving around playing tournament rounds, then posting your score(s) to that tournament’s leaderboard and beating other player’s tournament scores in that tournament.  After each event the tournament purses will be distributed and your goal is to earn tournament cash to climb as high as possible on the overall money rankings leaderboard. 



Live Tournaments are broken up into 3 unique tournament types:

•    Daily Tournaments – Similar to in years past these will be 24hr long tournaments that crown a new winner each day.   You’ll play your round and submit it to the tournament leaderboard.  At the end of the day, that tournament ends and a new one begins.  Within Daily’s there will be a number of different difficult levels to play.  Each difficulty level will have its own unique settings.



•    Weekly Tournaments – These will be tournaments that last all week long.  They will start on Sunday, for example, and players can compete all week long.  In Weekly’s you’ll submit four tournament rounds.  The player with the lowest total four round score will win that week’s weekly tournament.  Like in Daily’s there will be several difficulty levels to choose from, so you’re sure to find the right competition level for your golf game.


•    Play the Pros – This tournament type will allow you to compete each week directly against the pro golfer’s scores from that week’s professional golf tournament.  So, for example, when the game ships in June, you will be able to play against Tiger and the boys at the U.S. Open at Bethpage vs. their real life scores, at the course the tournament is being played at, with live weather and as the tournament is happening!  These tournaments will start on the Thursday of that week’s pro tournament and go through the weekend.  There will only be one difficulty setting for Play the Pros, since this tournament type is meant to be the ultimate golf test.  We’ve made sure to customize and tune the settings in Play the Pros tournaments to ensure your scores will be competitive against those of the real life pro golfers.  One other unique aspect to Play the Pros tournaments is that unlike Daily and Weekly Tournaments, here, you will only be competing against the pro golfer’s scores.  So there won’t be any other online gamers to contend with.



PLAYER RATING SYSTEM
Each individual tournament within the Live Tournaments feature will have its own purse.  This is important because the main objective in Live Tournaments is the climbing the overall Money Earnings Leaderboard.  When entering tournaments you’ll have to pick the tournament you enter wisely so you match yourself up with the right competition level for you.  We’ve created a new player rating system for Live Tournaments to ensure that lower level tournaments cannot be entered by those who could run away with the leaderboard.  The object of the player rating is to match people with similar ranks so that the tournaments are competitive and fun.  You can always see your Rating at the top of the Live Tournament screens. 

TIEBREAKING
We got a lot of feedback regarding ties with our old daily tournament mode.  In the new Live Tournaments, we’ve created a unique tiebreaking system that will take care of all ties along the tournament leaderboard.  This new tiebreaking system uses a n umber of in game stats to compile a Tiebreaker Score for each player per tournament. 

The stats that make up your tiebreaker score include the following:

•    Average Number of Putts
•    Average Driving Distance
•    Longest Drive
•    Driving Accuracy
•    Greens in Regulation
•    Hole in Ones
•    Double Eagles
•    Eagles
•    Bogeys
•    Double Bogeys or Worse

The totals of all of these stats are then run through an equation and then added up to determine each player’s overall tiebreaker score.  So if there are people tied on the leaderboard with the same round score, the player with the highest tiebreaker score will get the spot.  Tiebreakers aren’t only used to break first place ties.  Everyone will be generating a tiebreaker score as they play Live Tournaments, so every spot on the leaderboard is subject to the tiebreaker score system.  One cool thing about the tiebreaker system is that it is very tunable once the game launches.  So if necessary, we’ll be able to tweak the modifiers and values you receive for each stat based on community feedback or if we think too many or too little points are being awarded for a particular stat.  This idea of tuning the mode after launch is something we carried throughout the Live Tournaments feature.  I’ll discuss more about this below.

TWEAKABLE AFTER LAUNCH
The ability for us to tune and change Live Tournament settings after the game launches was something that was extremely important for us as we designed this.  So making adjustments to the tournament settings, rules, weather, etc…is something we built into almost every aspect of Live Tournaments.  All of these tweaks can be made in real-time on our servers after you all get the game.  So if we receive feedback from gamers that certain tournaments are too hard, we can make them easier.  If people think that Play the Pros tournament is too easy, we can make it harder.  All of the settings and rules for each individual tournament are tweak-able on the fly, even some that are not exposed on the surface.  For example, we can cap the skill attributes that your golfer takes into a tournament.  This is not a setting that the player can change in game, but it’s one that we wanted to use in this new tournament mode to level the playing field.  This attributes capping system will be used in Play the Pros, for example, so that people are not able to overpower the ball or “take advantage” of any club sweet spots.

POSTING SCORES
In Live Tournaments, you will not be competing head to head against other online gamers like in normal online matches.  You’ll play each round of the tournament and when complete, you’ll sign your scorecard to post that round to an online tournament leaderboard for that particular tournament.  Certain tournaments will have posting limits that will only allow you to post a certain number of rounds.  For example, Play the Pros is capped at four total submissions.  When you have signed your scorecard and submitted those four tournament rounds you will have reached the maximum number of submissions.  Once you have reached your maximum number of tournament round submissions in each individual tournament you will only be allowed to re-submit tournament scores if you purchase a submission with your tournament earnings.  Spending these earnings to submit again once you’ve reached the limit can be a catch 22 since it will draw funds from your existing overall total earnings and this could drop you down on the money leaderboard.  But, that score you just put up may be worth the investment if it’s good enough (as long as someone doesn’t come along later and beat it later).  

This again is one of our very tunable systems.  We can tune everything from which tournaments have submission limits and what the limits are, to how much it costs per submission if you have reached your maximum number of submissions in a tournament.  We can also hard cap tournaments so that no more round submissions are allowed, period, once you have reached the submission limit.  Again, the Live Tournaments feature has been designed with tuning based on user feedback so we wanted to make sure we could make changes to as many components post-launch as possible.

Note to current Daily Tournament players - In the past people have been able to post a score to the next day’s tournament by finishing the tournament after the deadline and having their score carry over to the new daily (which often was at a higher difficulty).  Not only will splitting up the tournaments into difficulties help to solve this, but our new submission system will not let you sign your scorecard once the tournament or round has ended.

MID-ROUND UPDATES
In previous feature blogs we’ve talked about in-game leaderboard and tournament updates.  These will also be included in Live Tournaments.  So if your friend has just posted a score that takes the lead in the tournament or another player has hit a total bomb off the tee, we’ll let you know about it as you are out on the course competing.  In Play the Pros, you’ll also get these tournament updates, but they will be for the pro golfers who are out on the course.  So if you are playing the tournament at the same time as the real life golfers are, you will get these updates as they are happening in real life. 

All these updates are displayed to players using a banner that animates in at the top of the screen and displays the appropriate message for that update.  The idea here was to present these similar to the broadcast score update graphics you see on TV.

MID-ROUND LEADERBOARDS
Exposing tournament leaderboards and making them as accessible as possible was a huge priority for the Live Tournaments feature.  So we’ve created a number of places for players to view the current tournament leaderboards from within the Live Tournament game screens.  We also wanted to make sure that the updated leaderboard information was also available during your round.  Just like in our PGA TOUR Season mode, Live Tournaments will display an up to date top 5 leaderboard (as well as your current position) between each hole.  This way as other people are posting rounds while you are playing, you’ll always know the score you’re shooting for to crack into the top 5.


 
TOUR HISTORY
Above I talked about the importance of leaderboards and how we wanted to make them very accessible to people in this new feature.  The Tour History screen is one place where you can go to see a lot of our Live Tournament leaderboard information.  This screen is going to let you sort through past, present and upcoming tournaments on the schedule in all of the different tournament types (Daily, Weekly and Play the Pros).  For past and present tournaments you will also be able to select the individual tournaments and view their top 100 leaderboard (plus your position) as well as the tiebreaker details for anyone on those leaderboards.


TOUR RANKINGS  
The Tour Rankings screen is where you’ll go to see who’s ruling the roost in Live Tournaments.  This is where you will find the leaderboard for overall money earners.  You’ll also be able to filter between a number of different statistics and re-populate the leaderboards based on that filter criteria.  A cool thing about this screen is that you’ll be able to filter any of the leaderboards to get a customized view of how you match up against your online friends.

TOURNAMENT NEWS BANNER
On the main Live Tournaments HUB screen we’ve placed a news banner that will keep you up to date with everything having to do with Live Tournaments.  Like most everything else in Live Tournaments, this news banner can and will be updated after the game ships.  It’ll be our way to communicate with you, the player, things like:

•    Upcoming Tournaments
•    New Money Leaders
•    Shout-outs to Tournament Winners
•    Hints/Tips
•    New Tuning Adjustments
•    Anything else we think you’d like to hear about

TALK TO THE DEV TEAM
We’ve been stressing how important it is for us to hear from our community of gamers so that we can continue to find out what you think in order to make better games.  This next feature helps us take a huge leap forward in that area.  In the main Live Tournaments HUB screen there will, from time to time, be a “Talk to the Dev Team” button.  Activating this will bring up an on-screen keyboard so that you can send us your feedback on Live Tournaments or anything else you have on your mind.  All you do is type in the comments and hit send.

I’m sure there’s a ton of things I’ve left out of this blog, but I’m hoping that this new feature has got you excited and full of questions to ask.  I tried to keep this focused on the questions I have heard from you all on the forums and those I thought you might have regarding the details of Live Tournaments.  Please feel free to post further questions or comments below or on the forums and we can continue to discuss this feature at length.

-Mike D.

Comments

  • JBHuskers said May 08, 2009

    Very GOOD blog Mike.....lots of good information.

  • Charlie A Woods said May 08, 2009

    I'm pumped!  LET'S DO THIS!!!

  • SuperD123 said May 08, 2009

    Brilliant Blog Mike, Thanks.

    Live Tournaments sound SWEET!!

  • Inside EA said May 08, 2009

    We hope you enjoyed Mike DeVault's Live Tournaments blog for Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 10. Now that you've

  • OrthoStud23 said May 08, 2009

    Was a good blog. Lots of info.  I think tourneys will have a more immersie feeling to them when you only get ONE chance at posting a score.

  • SuperD123 said May 08, 2009

    Ortho, you may have ONE CHANCE at posting a score, but you get UNLIMITED TRIES at posting that 1 score....

  • The__Violator said May 08, 2009

    Great blog post Mike. The play with the pros has me all kinds of excited. June can't get here quick enough!!

  • JCauthen04 said May 08, 2009

    I posted this in the forum when I couldn't login using IE. Now that I'm connected via Firefox, here are my thoughts on today's news.

    First of all, I'm delighted to see the way you have given an infusion of "liveness" to the Daily and "Play-the-Pros".  I was hoping for mid-round leaderboards, but you guys have gone one better by also including mid-round updates (at least of players on your friends list) reporting significant events (like "Oblong just put his second shot in the drink on #18", as if that would ever happen ;-))that are happening in real time as you're playing your round.  I've always felt the Dailies fell short of cashing in on their potential in the live department and you guys have more than stepped up to the plate here.  

    This approach creates the opportunity for groups to organize a simulatneous start during the Daily, and not only getting score updates on their friends, but dispostional status of significant events relating to them as they concurrently play their rounds.

    Before I forget about it, I'm also tickled to see not only multi-difficulty level options available, but multi-skill levels available for the Dailies.  It will be so nice to have a Tour Mode Daily at my disposal every day!

    Secondly, after reading your blog and Brian Ekberg's preview, then watching your interview with Brian, I realize that I misinterpreted how the "Play-the-Pros" option works.  I thought it would be all gamers against the real life pros on one leaderboard, with the gamer scores being potentially 30 to 40% lower than the pros.  I now realize that it's only you against the real pros, so the leaderboard won't look as whacked as it could have otherwise.

    I also like the fact that you've also limited it to Tour Pro, and furthermore, have tweaked it "under the cover" to make it even more realistic though skill capping, and who knows what other means?  :)  This will be a special treat with the real tour intersects with one of the licensed courses.  I know I'll be playing my Play-the-Pros rounds while the real thing is going on to enhance the live feel, although I'll want to be finished by the time the leaders finish their rounds so I can give full attention to the real action.... I'm an avid PGA tour Zealot!  

    I do have a couple of concerns that I'll float.  First, while I like the idea of a weekly 72 hole tournament, I'm thinking that playing 4 tournament rounds totally in the dark will feel so isolated that I won't be able to relate to it as a "live" event.  One of the things I look for in tournament play is the ebb and flow of the event as it unfolds.  The Weekly sounds as though it will be even more mysterious than the Dailies of years past have been.  At least you could see the scores before and after your round in the Dailies.  I'll give the Weekly a try before I dismiss it completely.

    Finally, with the option to play a round and opt whether to submit it or not at conclusion, the mid-round Daily leaderboards could be rather misleading.  For example, I could see that "Joytech_Jockey" was 8 under after 17 holes as I'm playing 18.  I would assume that he could finish between 7 to 9 under after 18, having seen that when i finish my round.  However, Joytech_Jockey could see that "Mad_Catz_Max" shot 9 under after finishing his round and opt to not submit that round and restart, posting an entirely different score.

    I'm not going to get overly rectally rententive about this because I know the people on my friends list will play the game with a sportsmanlike approach.  Maybe there are some things you can do to tweak the settings to make this less of an issue with your server side approach.  I'm really glad you guys saw fit to design this capability into this year's online service!

  • SuperD123 said May 08, 2009

    The only thing i still don't agree with is giving users the ability to have unlimited tries.

    If you feel this needs to be changed before release, Sign my Petition at:

    www.thepetitionsite.com/.../tiger-woods-pga-tour-10-we-need-1-try-dailys

  • DlhardUNCFAN said May 09, 2009

    The two things I would really like to see changed in TW 10 is having the daily tournament where you can only play it once and have FANTASY COURSES to download.

    Di

  • DlhardUNCFAN said May 10, 2009

    I forgot mention the following.

     To cut down on all the bs drama on the ps3 version of TW game each year, you need to make it where each person can ONLY have ONE NAME per ps3.  I know that this has to be possible when gamers are logging onto EA server.  

     The other thing is changing the ranking system.  Most of the hardcore gamers have two choices to get a game on TW 09.  One is wait for 30 minutes in the lobby until someone has time to get another fake name with little points to play you.  The other is create a new name to start over again.  Instead of giving money on the daily tournament, give points for your ranking.  This would cut down on bs drama in my opinion but of course you must have the daily tournament set up where you can only play once. Also, everyone when need to get the same wind on each hole.  All of things I have mentioned would have to be fixed in order with this to work.

    Di

  • jaybiv said May 10, 2009

    Funny, I had a Play the Pros idea this morning watching the TPC.  I love the idea.  This could be fun depending on what I will discuss below.

    My concern is with the unlimited submissions.  Once a user starts an online tournament they should either have to post or withdraw, plain and simple.  If they can't finish the round, they have to withdraw.  System crashes, withdraw.  Don't like their tee shot and want to start the game over--withdraw.  Just as in real life, you either turn in a scorecard or you don't. Unlimited submissions even on the daily tournaments are a turn turn off for me.  The beauty of golf is that there are no do overs.  I thought that "If it's in the game, it's in the game"?

  • xxnoo99xx said May 11, 2009

    I agree with the guys above that golf in real life is a one stop shop , you play you score . The thought of allowing people to submit multiple scores through monies is rediculous. I could never imagine my club allowing me to pay a few quid and playing again to improve my position. I also agree that on TP level one score only would be enough and all players get the same conditions. I for one unlike some TW09 users do not sit at home all day playing tourny,s as i have to work. Apart from that the TW games are great keep it up EA.

  • SuperD123 said May 11, 2009

    I have to admit, that this is the ONLY disappointment thing that i've found out about 10.

    Unlimited tries are also a big turn off for me and i personally will refust to play them until they are 1 try only...

  • Kidda said May 13, 2009

    will you be able to play with a friend or is it just solo rounds? It's the only game my wife plays on!!!

  • Unmutual said July 05, 2009

    Yeah....please get rid of unlimited submissions. They're horrible.

  • Arthurliveshere said July 13, 2009

    Im excited about the enhancements coming for the on line tournaments, specifically the handicapping. Pretty hard for a non hard-core gamer like me to go into a tournament that requires all birdies and 5-6 Eagles to compete to win. Even better, how about a scratch handicapp option. If one wants to play with the big boys and girls straight up, they can.

  • Inside EA said August 06, 2009

    Hello Tiger Community, This past weekend, Tiger Woods had another victory at the Buick Open. Do you think

  • roey99 said August 13, 2009

    how do i find my rank?

  • virgin-golfer said August 25, 2009

    tournaments should be 1 try only, tiger and the pros only get 1 go.

    i see we still lose 33% online points from a disconect i stoped playing 09 because of this and wont play 10 till its fixed, i just tryed to play extreme at pebbel beach 91mph winds thats stupid get real,can anyone out there tell me why my clubs will not make there shown distance always 5 to 10 yards short this happens in club tuner as well as in game, is it just my club setup or has EA got a softwear problem. the new putter is not good at all runs as smooth as sandpaper on rubber very hard to use,

    wots with the green speeds being set to very fast in all the high rank games, try mixing them up a bit, TW10 needs a lot of work i for one not very happy with it the best part of the game is the off switch,  

  • dfwhit2 said September 04, 2009

    is this online tournment for pc users and how do I get to play?

  • dfwhit2 said September 04, 2009

    dfwhitaker,

    would like to take part in PGA 10 on line how do I dp that?  I use PC only

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